From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Filipe Silva Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: official Emacs Docker image Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 09:18:59 -0200 Message-ID: References: <878txa9zvx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29gsgam.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87k29cmq1u.fsf@elephly.net> <8737g0qw7z.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87vasvnvty.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87bmumrkzn.fsf@flea> <87tw8cr7v0.fsf@flea> <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113bfb7ac77b9105479e72b1 X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1486120939 11946 195.159.176.226 (3 Feb 2017 11:22:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2017 11:22:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: =?UTF-8?Q?Stefan_Reich=C3=B6r?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 03 12:22:15 2017 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cZbwV-0002xN-IO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 12:22:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33488 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZbwb-0002bb-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:22:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36703) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZbtO-0008TV-0M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:19:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZbtM-0005vo-Oc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:19:01 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ot0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22a]:35788) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cZbtM-0005uz-HD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 06:19:00 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ot0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 65so11972197otq.2 for ; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:19:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Vpp2LoCMfoheoh6R8SDSMGfu5ImvR9SGEWZKYrk4fC0=; b=UoGUpUHaXwcjXZSa6AmoeV81Les9fGWl8aM083/ZvFlMFSM6lp/KPWgylZNfAFxG4E vUkynd7h3lXzgWD+nIEEeT+SoUyYtt4T2n9CmmyW98VWBeBZuaYXAAAAdVtMeCfb8YMU Gy9sYkGEisrEp1L3PtPR18oDLsGciO/0KOUQN83IWN45dKIyDfIWTSpDCGinTxn4Tp5a RnhWh3Z78TKQ9VhIL2Wrp9fQ9gl41QxQpJIgN1Amd9YPoVhhwWXDGGnQ9bExqZSSE5fm WERwBz0nKT+eLQlCdw2IIrhwmGBVQbFsQq6KYDZooPxj890aGlOWBJjoezO7fr68hFZC tvMw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Vpp2LoCMfoheoh6R8SDSMGfu5ImvR9SGEWZKYrk4fC0=; b=HH61SjGV4GrrYQl6YeHExV8WJElRnThw1UQi677Kol4qcB/LaH5NKToc5ObhmrvoC4 vewLoB6rFQq8k0Vxb48DsGRjFhWsgM29a3SIsBmf5sh3CCxq6gzxUUt0HWcn7RhC/ALZ qrBLsT+50JYnlYRJxLYgb4xD5XM/B0hDBgd518ZE2aJZKvCdokFU0/dCwLHQsHFJcNsS 0E5oasDmJkNDpGRTDIEqYvJTmybS81Hz9O0wNspJtDyo3JekZekUb8zLoxNK2MaZXpxe MWQIBR1PQYlKI4J78YzpfkNiheAjWO3xuHlz3TzvW7jikwrGXaxdGa5ZhY+rs9EdMLfe iBqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39lRvBt6iYh+RCtypL9mhEQKYoG5yK73yRBLQW4cNLHArLmPLdTs+1cRXmxLfx3XgNrYv0g5C8ebY4JYaQ== X-Received: by 10.157.4.53 with SMTP id 50mr7220197otc.234.1486120739631; Fri, 03 Feb 2017 03:18:59 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.157.56.242 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Feb 2017 03:18:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87wpd7rc70.fsf@xsteve.at> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:211924 Archived-At: --001a113bfb7ac77b9105479e72b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, GNU/FSF is first a political/philosophical organisation before being a technical/software organization. The fact that they've managed to construct such an amazing piece of software, Emacs, is a miracle, but secondary to that primary characteristics. And don't be mistaken, that comes with advantages too. As a non-profit organisation, driven by philosophy, you can rest assured that emacs will be here essently forever while sublime text, visual studio code, and others will come and go. Mike Gerwitz, back to the topic, you've posted an issue on the github site, which is run with non-free software, and I'm pretty sure that it runs non-free javascript. The fact that you will be running "non-free" javascript seems a bit unescapeable, doesn't it? (I'm not trying to pick an argument, just trying to understand the philosophy) On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:00 AM, Stefan Reich=C3=B6r wrot= e: > Ted Zlatanov writes: > > > On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:53:27 -0500 Richard Stallman wrote= : > > > >>> I went to Docker Hub, turned off JS, and was able to use the settings > >>> dialogs necessary to maintain the "gnuemacs" account going forward. > >>> Account creation also seemed to work. > > > > RS> That's sounds favorable. But could you please compare notes with > Mike > > RS> Gurwitz about what does or doesn't require nonfree JS code? You an= d > > RS> he are getting different results; the anomaly is troubling. > > > > Unfortunately I was rushed and meant to write "organization account > > creation" within an existing Docker Hub user account (you need one to > > create an organization). I did not test creating the user account. But = I > > don't think any of that will make a difference. > > > > At this point I've lost interest and will not continue this work. I > > don't see a way to reconcile your positions with my reality, and can't > > change either. > > > > RS> Please don't try to push us to "move on" without establishing > > RS> the facts of the situation clearly. > > > > I think we can move on with other things now. > > > > As a happy emacs user I am sad to see another good idea that helps to > increase the visibility of emacs is shot down by this oh so important > free software argument. > > For me it is the same thing that happened to the proposed improvements > in intellisense behaviour. Richard wanted to talk to a lawyer about > this. And nothing happened. The person that wanted to implement this > stuff just resigned. > > Stefan. > > > --001a113bfb7ac77b9105479e72b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan, GNU/FSF is first a political/philosophical organisat= ion before being a technical/software organization. The fact that they'= ve managed to construct such an amazing piece of software, Emacs, is a mira= cle, but secondary to that primary characteristics.=C2=A0

And = don't be mistaken, that comes with advantages too. As a non-profit orga= nisation, driven by philosophy, you can rest assured that emacs will be her= e essently forever while sublime text, visual studio code, and others will = come and go.=C2=A0

Mike Gerwitz, back to the topic, you've p= osted an issue on the github site, which is run with non-free software, and= I'm pretty sure that it runs non-free javascript. The fact that you wi= ll be running "non-free" javascript seems a bit unescapeable, doe= sn't it?=C2=A0

(I'm not trying to pick an argument, just= trying to understand the philosophy)



On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 5:00= AM, Stefan Reich=C3=B6r <stefan@xsteve.at> wrote:
Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:

> On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 21:53:27 -0500 Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>>> I went to Docker Hub, turned off JS, and was able to use the s= ettings
>>> dialogs necessary to maintain the "gnuemacs" account= going forward.
>>> Account creation also seemed to work.
>
> RS> That's sounds favorable.=C2=A0 But could you please compare= notes with Mike
> RS> Gurwitz about what does or doesn't require nonfree JS code?= =C2=A0 You and
> RS> he are getting different results; the anomaly is troubling.
>
> Unfortunately I was rushed and meant to write "organization accou= nt
> creation" within an existing Docker Hub user account (you need on= e to
> create an organization). I did not test creating the user account. But= I
> don't think any of that will make a difference.
>
> At this point I've lost interest and will not continue this work. = I
> don't see a way to reconcile your positions with my reality, and c= an't
> change either.
>
> RS> Please don't try to push us to "move on" without = establishing
> RS> the facts of the situation clearly.
>
> I think we can move on with other things now.
>

As a happy emacs user I am sad to see another good idea that helps to
increase the visibility of emacs is shot down by this oh so important
free software argument.

For me it is the same thing that happened to the proposed improvements
in intellisense behaviour. Richard wanted to talk to a lawyer about
this. And nothing happened. The person that wanted to implement this
stuff just resigned.

Stefan.



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