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From: Steve Yegge <stevey@google.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 4041@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#4041: 23.0.92; Emacs 23: buffer point is no longer frame-local
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:35:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEYe22VxWEtHmy9OVPzcnoyH=gM+5UuNW79YnbAaAGJSfY1fzg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvobxnhf5g.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

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I don't know if anyone's expecting me to weigh in, as I've already used way
too many words to explain how I think it should work, and none of the
intervening discussion has given me a reason to reconsider that position.

But I'll add that defending the current behavior of switch-to-buffer is a
bit odd, since it doesn't do anything meaningful or useful as-is.

In particular, if you are switching to a buffer that is already showing in
another window, it currently takes you to to a location in that buffer that
can best be described as "arbitrary".  I was generously assuming that it was
some deterministic function of how the buffer is already being displayed in
other windows, but Martin claims that no, it just shows you "somewhere" in
the buffer, wherever that window-point happens to be.  It's certainly not
semantically meaningful to the contents of the buffer.

My proposal -- which people sound like they agree with, and Leo has even
implemented as an add-on -- takes the default behavior from arbitrary to not
only predictable but in fact useful.  The only way anyone would even notice
that you've changed something is if they were somehow relying on the
arbitrary default behavior, but as we've determined that it's not especially
predictable, I don't see how anyone could have been relying on it.  If we're
really worried about it, we can make a compatibility variable.

-steve

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-12  0:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-05  0:17 bug#4041: 23.0.92; Emacs 23: buffer point is no longer frame-local Steve Yegge
2009-08-06  9:33 ` martin rudalics
2011-09-17  7:04 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-09-17  8:43   ` martin rudalics
2011-09-18  8:03     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-06 22:14     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07  7:07       ` martin rudalics
2011-10-07 10:46         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2011-10-07 17:00           ` martin rudalics
2011-10-07 21:09             ` Steve Yegge
2011-10-08  6:23               ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08  6:32                 ` Drew Adams
2011-10-08  6:23               ` Leo
2011-10-08 13:23               ` martin rudalics
2011-10-08 14:12                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 15:00                   ` martin rudalics
2011-10-08 15:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 15:55                       ` martin rudalics
2011-10-08 17:07                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-08 17:53                           ` martin rudalics
2011-10-08 20:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-09  8:33                               ` martin rudalics
2011-10-09 17:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2011-10-10 12:57                                   ` martin rudalics
2011-10-11 12:45               ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12  0:35                 ` Steve Yegge [this message]
2011-10-12  1:19                   ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12  3:52                     ` Steve Yegge
2011-10-12  9:48                     ` martin rudalics
2011-10-12 13:11                       ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 13:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2011-10-12 14:25                           ` martin rudalics
2012-10-05 10:08                         ` martin rudalics
2012-10-10 10:22                           ` martin rudalics
2011-10-12  6:52                   ` martin rudalics

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