From: Naoya Yamashita <conao3@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>,
Akib Azmain Turja <akib@disroot.org>,
Payas Relekar <relekarpayas@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, John Wiegley <johnw@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: What does use-package do?
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 13:46:45 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEPcJam8GY9UQRcSnaAi1MayJWH4C+VejpkvgLckUfgPLzw2QA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=yw5v=vS1YKhrqQJ4vcSQCwRbPT5SttEOKDDko5W4VLw@mail.gmail.com>
[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1813 bytes --]
(I used to send Email from gnus, but I have already lost my gnus
settings and will reply from Gmail. I hope I get it right.)
> There was talk of integrating leaf into use-package a year ago.
Nothing is going on with integrating leaf and use-package as no
one is working on it. Honestly, I don't like use-package because
it has surprising behavior that often seems nosy. That is why
leaf was created, to organize/reduce the features that
use-package has and to give user a better interface, which is
why it cannot be integrated.
On the other hand, I agree that leaf has a puzzling internal
structure. It has huge conditional branches directly in a list,
dynamically generating S-expressions and eval'ing them. This
structure makes debugging difficult and adding new features
difficult for new people. (I can do it, though.) This is why I
am hesitant to have it standardized in Emacs.
In summary, the functionality that use-package already provides
should be sorted out because it contains magic. The interface
provided by leaf is pretty, but it has a puzzling internal
structure. I would support a third use-package that should come
standard with Emacs, if there is one. And some people said that
the name "LEAF" is a bad name. Hopefully the third use-package
will have a better name.
2022年10月10日(月) 5:16 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>:
> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:
>
> > Do you remember what thread that was, the only one I remember is
> >
> https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/20201008.103747.1339582189858984269.conao3@gmail.com/
> .
>
> Yes, that's the one I'm thinking of.
>
> I think you want to start reading at:
>
> https://yhetil.org/emacs-devel/CADwFkm=mSZHeKf0=G7rXhOKOqSxOYWwOQfUv8=7fZWEaDOCTKg@mail.gmail.com/
>
[-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2556 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-11 4:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-08 4:38 What does use-package do? Payas Relekar
2022-10-08 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 22:34 ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-08 12:46 ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-10-08 23:49 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-09 12:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 20:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11 4:46 ` Naoya Yamashita [this message]
2022-10-11 5:13 ` John Wiegley
2022-10-11 6:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-11 6:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11 9:17 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-11 15:21 ` John Wiegley
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-09-24 12:56 Progress on merging use-package? Payas Relekar
2022-09-24 14:08 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-24 14:22 ` Payas Relekar
2022-09-24 14:35 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-24 14:36 ` Payas Relekar
2022-09-24 20:24 ` John Wiegley
2022-09-25 2:34 ` Payas Relekar
2022-09-25 8:39 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-09-28 22:57 ` chad
2022-09-29 8:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 8:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-07 22:47 ` What does use-package do? Richard Stallman
2022-10-08 4:50 ` John Wiegley
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=CAEPcJam8GY9UQRcSnaAi1MayJWH4C+VejpkvgLckUfgPLzw2QA@mail.gmail.com \
--to=conao3@gmail.com \
--cc=akib@disroot.org \
--cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
--cc=johnw@gnu.org \
--cc=philipk@posteo.net \
--cc=relekarpayas@gmail.com \
--cc=stefankangas@gmail.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.