From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carlos Pita Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51361: 28.0.60; NS toolbar icons are too big and low res Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 14:07:24 -0300 Message-ID: References: <87sfwr5fed.fsf@yahoo.com> <877de0uldn.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v91kt4pf.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18646"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 51361@debbugs.gnu.org, Alan Third To: Po Lu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 15 18:08:11 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mmfSl-0004bu-A1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 18:08:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53228 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmfSk-00038C-7b for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; 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a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/JE9+vrc3RRsnzDhV/S1iNx4NNaWZe0t8QzY6ZeB80k=; b=PAbQW0tQTPAjROaVvSF8qksWoueyymwtx00MF2Jd/usy38hKSmG+nTNy+TzXGHt1GD DKe4xyFGJAMdAy8o50nTNLngBL2dtbCqClkD2qj0UrDB3jmcoUb7gS/NS3+6n0EuG55x QH2sTpYtNWtNk2zh3avSe8ZT7JiV9gcA4aA9BaDiKlHwuJkXWNvPBxSA/erwiQ5//uKN iJbBeBA7QoLlyhHSV7/N8mj44nc0VDJ5PT66I/w0kF/RCZuwWURI7Dpo080l+YvtnxaO efdbvoZ8sITSDOYohYhv3hP7hkQDH+AYCUwBcxXgSMY1OdRfJ/1UMMtlsUgJRg5v8yNP J3ZA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531J3DGjZoHFzsBVEF2bV6DeqoOjW5udaOyIWKjwIE2bmY76ZieU 6sftPBnsmAqCexYTMvOMscqb8S3LisHFBEgy+5ePwxXN X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwYN3zrsdZ3UnI9z76errmI3Tzv4CjhkSe0RyiZR4p8rUjlv0lydyOAf2woeAPQxXG9F7Xap5BHt685H9mYtes= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:16a3:: with SMTP id 35mr60321482vkl.12.1636996055104; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 09:07:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87v91kt4pf.fsf@yahoo.com> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:220064 Archived-At: > Or perhaps this could be an effect of viewing the OP's screenshot, > presumably taken on a high-resolution display, on my ordinary FHD > display. In my MacBook I set the scaling factor to 2x, although the default is about 1.75x since a few years ago. I also have an external monitor at 1.75x, here I would expect some slight blur because of the non-integer downscaling but I'm not sure whether my screenshot was taken from this screen (or even if the downscaling should affect it in any way). Nevertheless, on what matters the example provided by Dmitry and mine are the same: excessively scaled icons. Additionally, in macOS these icons are part of the titlebar so they feel odd and too big compared to the GTK toolbar, which is just an old school toolbar with large icons. Look at the large padding around traffic lights. If the GTK port were using CSD people would probably complain about a thick titlebar, as they often do because of Adwaita defaults. This is why I suggested tackling both problems by showing the icons at 1x, although I understand Alan concerns about this. Small rant: Wouldn't it be preferable to hide the toolbar by default in hidpi screens, or in macOS, until the icons are replaced with properly scalable versions, which might take a long time? I can't see any positive trade off in showing something like what's in my screenshot first thing. This is not about making emacs look "modern" by default, but just less awful, I would go as far as to call icons scaled at twice their intended resolution a bug. Fringe pixmaps are tolerable because at their tiny size the problem isn't actually that visible. There are other places where small lores icons are shown, but not often. The toolbar, instead, is big and permanent and many people, including newcomers, disable it (I think this is a fairly objective statement since "modern emacs distributions" targeted to newbies hide it OOTB, although it's true that they might add alternative discovery mechanisms, not to say that I believe the toolbar is incredibly helpful in that regard). Best regards, Carlos