From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gabriel Beauchamp Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:35:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388954145 15560 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 20:35:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 20:35:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, toby-dated-1389972095.0848dd@dr-qubit.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 21:35:53 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuQK-0005EA-VJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 21:35:53 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59333 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuQK-00012I-Gu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:35:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55858) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuQH-00012A-Br for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:35:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuQG-0001lD-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:35:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x22f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f]:53598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzuQE-0001ko-Pr; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:35:46 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-f175.google.com with SMTP id j1so5542215iga.2 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RdTILAvlGfWiEvsHV0Q/XxK4OGRFZrcCibNhX+Jxte8=; b=JAnFjH6ayfscSYVT5walC2VMafYL0qTNh0aWFKA63IYyzlj9dYVbof5MltXg1xKDpe wQrR3eGmN/VVL7ah/M7YdmLLsyaNFRlfJG96jgBaymh1tAI+w3h7c+RCtdvdkbsUtVOh Yquh71DVP6hwE5CNTesomSKrIGwFqZKhD+cUIiurPF1qAawXIqay2IELLggI7lSdh2sJ FK6mLP9rKzqu6kiRBL3Ld1gY08qdxHwN0yu2bIqAfIu0FDhlrNfdn2qVyANN8TT89uQU SRIBluSFBByaEcRUGHJrSXSathoU2xgNimTZUrWGxwcHxuj6sF82cDs59X6VyJI7UTJa eRtg== X-Received: by 10.50.107.70 with SMTP id ha6mr15420333igb.14.1388954145799; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.43.74.66 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167396 Archived-At: As still quite beginner myself, I used Emacs in a term for a while, but now mainly with a graphical environment. And I have only one frame up. And I don't see the point (at least for me) to have more than one frame. If I may, I think that most people beggining with Emacs don't see the point of frames either. If they even know of the existences of thoses. 2014/1/5, Richard Stallman : > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Mostly there *aren't* any "standard modern terms", because there are > no other editors in which there is so much decoupling between the > local equivalents of our core concepts that they need to be described > separately. > > There are the standard modern terms cut, paste and copy. > > In regard to windows, buffers and frames, we could have a mode of > operation which ties each buffer to a one-window frame. That would > eliminate a lot of complexity. > > We could even offer that as the mode of use for beginners, if that > would make it easier for a new generation of hackers to become Emacs > users. I don't know whether it WOULD have that effect, but if it > would, I think it is a good idea. > > Do beginners typically run Emacs under a graphical window system? > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman > President, Free Software Foundation > 51 Franklin St > Boston MA 02110 > USA > www.fsf.org www.gnu.org > Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. > Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. > > >