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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297351 Archived-At: On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 6:25 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > From: Stefan Monnier > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2022 23:04:33 -0400 > > > > I don't have an official answer to give, but for all the packages to > > which I contributed, I've usually seen something like the following > > happen: > > > > - Someone write a package. When they distribute it they naturally put > > "Author:" there with their name and email address (not necessarily > > for fame but rather in order to provide a point of contact for > > feedback). > > - Time passes, other people start contributing to it. > > - Nobody dares to say that "I'm the author" since that would be a lie, > > so they don't touch the "Author:" line and just either leave their > > name out because they don't care about recognition and feedback, or > > put themselves as "Maintainer:". > > > > So in the end `Author:` all too often means the one who got the original > > impetus. Which fraction of the overall work that turns out to be > > depends a lot on the package. At the same time, in most cases, the > > original impetus imposes a general direction/design/approach/vision > > which tends to persist long after that author stepped down. I see, thank you both for detailed clarification. > That's my impression as well. And I do agree that the original > author's contribution is significant enough to justify the Author > header. I think it also means a second wind will be somehow less visible than a brand-new impetus, but that's just me.