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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311699 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Richard Stallman >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2023 22:08:55 -0400 >> >> Let's fix the debugger, and native compilation, not to load cl-lib. > > That's not practical. I don't see any reason to waste our resources > on doing that. +1 > I don't see a problem in these using cl-lib, and don't think we should > be bothered about that. Yes, let's focus our efforts on fixing real problems.