From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Add a configure option for NATIVE_FULL_AOT? Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:11:10 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83bl5w70vw.fsf@gnu.org> <834kbo6xm5.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgtg3x4i.fsf@wavexx.thregr.org> <83zgtg57jv.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18307"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Yuri D'Elia , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 18 16:12:48 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mGMJE-0004X3-Pf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2021 16:12:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46162 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mGMJD-0002N4-RM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:12:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55314) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mGMHu-0001T7-Gv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:45799) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mGMHt-0004wu-12; Wed, 18 Aug 2021 10:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f178.google.com with SMTP id n18so2368363pgm.12; Wed, 18 Aug 2021 07:11:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ro8AiaFYC8MZz34FhJ5QZei533pLuspsTyTvuhhr81A=; b=RJF3sxjIDmR2DTjJiF4kYAMQvowQiHFnVg/eqJPdPGY8rAqRNP0+bpjoWze7r041fl mqFO1RTSJT27R47qheZbhGeZ2D3OiR/PFZqT5IBWWdMyPDKMdzy7FJG2Zu4KDzfGh9Vl 2WPp4xSROCTYEzkvApGcPGX6DTNOE/B+5Exg4lE+1kFWgCq3U/ULTRmDyxRAwZBeoVqC txDpy98DDx7AYqSfzWbYFb6QmOG6I15CnmoegvLK7Ku2AWKGO6bcM0gwDirtme5boQr1 D+mEZQdkrVUKol+X/GNtHyt4Y0iScvmML26g1Xl5M8EWpfIgmz05FzCyxA4SIRG3uQ/R NZfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Klzsq49tC/qNgBltNnCUYi2SiDI04XyzqjyRwB1K1jlQ2Rdfo HKf25Apr5wwF9u/rugtDLS69niqO27ZlJAPbnRD8wUjXzfI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzWtA1aILvNBaCki+giDE+FAQMo7/gOm/Qw2ywhpfGpx6asHjkFSxMwLOIVBG8Qa4ciQwtinW6gS9cXekGJWHU= X-Received: by 2002:a65:6787:: with SMTP id e7mr9026218pgr.345.1629295881845; Wed, 18 Aug 2021 07:11:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83zgtg57jv.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.178; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f178.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:272572 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > > As soon as I discovered NATIVE_FULL_AOT, I've been using it. JIT is > > nice, but it's relatively easy to trigger. Even if that's async, it's > > quite noticeable. > > > > I personally prefer to pay the AOT price in disk space just from a > > latency perspective. Which is actually a space saving anyway, in a > > multiuser system. [...] > > Well, then it's a pity you are speaking up just now, instead of 8 > months ago, or whenever you discovered NATIVE_FULL_AOT. AFAIR, this was discussed already several months ago. For example in this thread: https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2021-02/msg00950.html My conclusion from those discussions was that we do want to support AOT compilation so that it can be used by GNU/Linux distributions. I haven't been able to follow development closely for a couple of months, but I am surprised to hear that this is now not even considered something we want to document.