From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19822: url-retrieve: allow to fail when no document is associated with the URI Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2019 15:19:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87o8z2l4hs.fsf@gnus.org> <835zladzbx.fsf@gnu.org> <87wodqgs0z.fsf@gnus.org> <83tv8uchxf.fsf@gnu.org> <87a7aldf0d.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="3808"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 19822@debbugs.gnu.org, Ivan Shmakov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 01 15:22:30 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI6o-0000rY-LZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 15:22:30 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42006 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI6m-0003d7-WE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:22:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54358) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI4S-0001IZ-AX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:20:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI4Q-0002bd-8h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:20:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52272) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI4Q-0002bX-5h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:20:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI4Q-0007D8-0O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:20:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2019 13:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19822 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 19822-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19822.156993598927693 (code B ref 19822); Tue, 01 Oct 2019 13:20:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19822) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2019 13:19:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32860 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI4C-0007Cb-Kl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:19:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]:46348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iFI4A-0007CO-NY for 19822@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 09:19:47 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f171.google.com with SMTP id q5so7959488pfg.13 for <19822@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 06:19:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=W3yxGYYgYq2vTuANzTdGPJ/7deFPgHIvhrYaABr18qI=; b=QHSL2js628YA35ZHb+8ILLykkeGgJejHtmaqsW8UQZsnIMeWxVO+sUQEoX5sNRRiIp rumSPTgqF23pVcBaEMuSHTdEl2/UKWKNfTLZSANk/7RHG69xiKKz8TJM8VoW+WekSa7N DU1KrQHDmcUtr5k+f9Nuep5KypNTlmt0POuaNoXQ2E9002tqFa7g42NTIjOGHC6ap02u z46Mw6OCf6Wrr8llQ50WY0OIGAH8Cn2b0fkIVaaNY35TwQkbwD0HMR1tWiS3VCUlGJ04 T/JWoKkfmuie3Z5Q6R0zkU574d8DedCgSdSfrys++thAwZ+1nvO/qMKZZSBEDuR9SBEJ IQ8A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUwcmzEswJkQ45N9Fmk/8TEnOprysDjwTBmxCpwfErJ11i1QW6V 94fQmkLf5ak60SDH8DTjCqUtgtdprXn9DOfr1rA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwLHNzxQxdbxAGab4blVVXTGBniLYxmVwIOPObSZeIE0pPJa0xPj92L43OkcjWHBMIZ+4qlNh6kTB+fmB/thiU= X-Received: by 2002:a62:e917:: with SMTP id j23mr27688625pfh.50.1569935980623; Tue, 01 Oct 2019 06:19:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a7aldf0d.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167994 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Of these, file:, http:, https:, data: and ftp: are the only ones that > are useful. > > But on consideration, perhaps it's just best to leave them all as they > are to smoulder. As you may remember, there's a with-fetched-url branch > that reimplements the entire URL interface, and it only supports the > modern schemes. (I'm planning on merging when master goes to Emacs 28.) > > So we can leave the url.el interfaces alone as a backwards-compatible > stuff and then pension off the entire url.el machinery in, say, Emacs 34. I don't feel very strongly about this, but I'm curious: Why don't you want to obsolete at least some of them? I think they add user confusion and are just not very helpful. Personally, I wouldn't mind a middle ground here: to only obsolete the very low hanging fruit. To be more concrete, it doesn't seem to me that it would take much effort to immediately obsolete url-irc.el, url-news.el, url-imap.el and url-ns.el. I could volunteer to cook up a patch if that's indeed something we want to do. Otherwise, I suggest to close this bug report as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas