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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326837 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Stefan Kangas >> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 04:42:31 -0500 >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Richard Stallman >> >> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2024 00:23:32 -0500 >> >> >> >> "Contents" and "content" are two different words, and for this >> >> meaning, "contents" is correct. It means the contents of the >> >> file, and that's what we refer to here. >> >> >> >> Please let's rename that symbol now before it gets into a release. >> > >> > The Emacs 30.0.93 pretest was already uploaded with "trusted-content" >> > in it. So if we rename it now, we will need to support both >> > spellings, via defvaralias. I'm not sure the problem is acute enough >> > to justify such last-minute changes. >> >> Do we really maintain backwards-compatibility with all pretest releases >> also? I usually consider them more like development branches: used for >> testing, not for production. > > We don't usually maintain compatibility in those cases, but this > situation is special: we are very close to the release, and I don't > want to waste one more pretest because we renamed the variable. > >> In any case, I think using the right word is better, so if we need a >> defvaralias then so be it, IMO. I don't see how it could hurt, and we >> could even define-obsolete-variable-alias. > > From where I stand, if we decide to rename it, we must have a > defvaralias for the other name. > > And FWIW, renaming doesn't sound very important to me: Emacs is full > of mis-spellings and English usage that is not 110% correct, so I > don't see this as a catastrophe. After all, Stefan's English is > either his first language or close, so if he is okay with that name, > we are not in a bad place. I'm copying in Stefan Monnier, in case he has any comments.