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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283917 Archived-At: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." writes: > FWIW I completely agree with this.=C2=A0 Custom system is a good idea, > and it should exist; however it has a very long way yet to achieve > it's purpose.=C2=A0 It is nowhere near JetBrains software's isolation > of Java from user.=C2=A0 It needs a lot more work.=C2=A0 It is an unfinis= hed system. Agreed, but I'd invite you to be more concrete. If you are proposing a redesign, fine, but we'd need volunteers to do that. If you have specific proposals for how to improve customize, they are also welcome.