From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4973: 23.1.50; Please provide access to Emacs's quick reference cards on the Help menu Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:52:10 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87hbspzkav.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3416"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: "Jason A. Spiro" , 4973@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 19 03:53:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa4P-0000jD-Q1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 19 Nov 2020 03:53:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39412 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa4O-00028c-D0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:53:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa4F-00027l-Ga for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:53:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54051) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa4D-0002jb-V8 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:53:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa4D-0005Yv-TV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:53:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 02:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4973 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 4973-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4973.160575434321339 (code B ref 4973); Thu, 19 Nov 2020 02:53:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4973) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Nov 2020 02:52:23 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37364 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa3a-0005Y6-3U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:52:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ej1-f41.google.com ([209.85.218.41]:36100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kfa3U-0005Xg-Q4 for 4973@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 21:52:20 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ej1-f41.google.com with SMTP id o21so5754876ejb.3 for <4973@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WwACsPs2K1VPzYsOBM5PDJaKD9jYtPSiaiJn82upuds=; b=mDyWC4su+kcQ4tiRq5sbnJctVeFqz5uEMJnMRCcL1TCSJuRo5LVv+O7ex1naVBMJGm K7801I2XtYkk7MyzqJEJmXas2mE9nGjaVLmS1ddGzxSfeNOZ80Dt7pm4dz7EHFKqnrbw 8nnW6oDjpLKJaTSNA4TGlyjlpno3I9E3WGjgaWwjDamz+4N47Q9U2uIJeXd6YWppuEO1 ASgSmEzTYieSzCogHDROF3ZOmGh4zcqpTkbmbJoZYxCYf7rS51hwl5ZxhF7cnBsLa5bI /QjqJoHHod+gIljexrkNX+mlHDAzdP/pY166h9+ZjYYYDSbi91rAwnD3DQvzfwX3kSM7 +miA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530yl+Er2Mq4FxLzFuuEqLIUQ33yOpMLFdfWKEaSg0OwkY6E8D/y NAmcJvgCL3VjOJVZCd59WHQmQZ9tKpD2F01vid8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyNdLxgMofv6ieqo53qvMwNk1tM9AMSsc7cWVQZCFxLEdQlh/pPQU7WzjyeEDjjn50NVYSeikmA1TiZgSmSVrY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:4e90:: with SMTP id v16mr27815918eju.477.1605754331003; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:52:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 18 Nov 2020 18:52:10 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Lennart Borgman's message of "Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:20:08 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:193677 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Juri Linkov wrote: >>> In 2007, at http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/65537/focus=3D656= 29 >>> , dak wrote: >>> >>>> Maybe we should link to [the Emacs quick reference card] in some >>>> manner, like offering to call >>>> (shell-command >>>> =C2=A0 (format (mailcap-mime-info "application/postscript") >>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(expand-file-name "refcard.ps" data-directory))) >>> >>> That's an excellent idea. =C2=A0You should make the many quick referenc= e >>> cards that you ship in emacs/etc/refcards accessible on the Help menu. >>> Could you please do that? >> >> Actually a bad idea as we concluded in >> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/65537/focus=3D105365 > > > I can't see that we concluded that. Rather we had different arguments. > And things are changing. It's been 11 years here without any progress. It seems extremely simple to add the reference cards to the help menu, should we want to do it. So I assume there just isn't much enthusiasm for the idea, and I tend to agree: I don't see that it's very useful or necessary to make the help menu longer for this. I'd be inclined to close this as wontfix. Any other opinions?