From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 4449301: * etc/NEWS: Improve documentation of 'package-initialize'. Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:05:22 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20191022021600.2389.91268@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20191022021602.B41B3209DE@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <83ftiq7lob.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="214095"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Stefan Monnier , Emacs developers To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 18 16:06:07 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iWibL-000tUA-2c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:06:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35276 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWibJ-0007Dy-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:06:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iWiaw-0007Dg-Sp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:05:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWiav-0001Ih-Ka for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-x102f.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::102f]:33345) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iWias-0001Et-V1; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:05:35 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-x102f.google.com with SMTP id o14so1570873pjr.0; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:05:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=95XPteN8ercRR4V9uOzL5tXNRi7ECjDDEVSEqVcN/u0=; b=ZjMEzpq441a43Z+08WDGqVy3f5MzKrvImAb5cdWLFSfFwDcqnWbMOSLwQYbCjF61xE AurN0H/h7UPUcWMwS+AKy/uo422crT8ImpyCMfG9FQCVZSZG+S6lYdrzfYQDUl9ybzbi R0bZmclgr0sb3jrzth7hVQGTTMz9dWnk+p4W2rTDtW0xwqhZuVkjH8hkEmVe6qJE+mi0 7mSuZTUZD0dnsUottmV+VXn3AdsUBSydVFAT5Vic+W5pt/67T3uvHg/1f0hGybTh9Eju vCSlXaLF9/KjtWeRV+V+BMRUcvb1H3AJIP+bkOQBAWxYbLrwIGneul0hV34vJGZgEfca mw9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=95XPteN8ercRR4V9uOzL5tXNRi7ECjDDEVSEqVcN/u0=; b=qMJbICfRyLJMu76FLOb4A60VYNqQJIPlxk3L0IxLGj+Ewt0sZyVWlDp88FwlPL7eR9 MZuiTKc2NljKg1Pk07X+Iye51sl6RH4M0/cCPa4tPgxggD02+2rS+Rx2MFXMmW8tbG1H FNZWDCKtrt2j/Qrp3lxRD/tZAJXnXH4mwSBWWLf60yxYN7yM0jCoL0e2muBOMdt/uV7r xHx2rIY58WEVaMGUmtUtvjHw/EdGHDs+rYdtZ4+r7mP+enHbIZayvAGLWg3EjRQe+p75 Jt6rTa5phy+09icldXqfj7Ir9U0wDE7xSein1u5rblH6vrfxmi939jeSyGK/vMOiFvUC z1Xg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUT0eP154sLydsYHGcq201mcxL9LQDk0O3sL1PCKRqmXkgFhLs3 hbXsLJHPJMqBreDB75cLN+mEP4ErZxS3bbQWhJAeM9yv X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyOvOYlumzmZS0Dmra6jq8XSUJQCvDDLyrTHbpCZDO7MvAke0EfyONY1Hbt51MFW9IOa4Lcrl7XM7qWoaywatI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:5985:: with SMTP id p5mr10508026pli.259.1574089533389; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:05:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83ftiq7lob.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::102f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242371 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'm not sure I understand how grave are the problems with this The only problem is that it doesn't work. :-) To be more specific: When a user customizes this variable to nil, it doesn't take effect. As Stefan Monnier pointed out in this thread, it *does* take effect iff the user loads the custom file from the early init file. I opined that this is probably not the most common use pattern. > defcustom, but if they are, I'd prefer to add a :set function rather > than demoting a user option to a defvar. OK, let's try that instead. Please also see my other recent email in this thread. Best regards, Stefan Kangas