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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276498 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> This does not seem to happen in (info "(texinfo) Conventions"): >> >> * Use three hyphens in a row, '---', to produce a long dash--like >> this (called an "em dash"), used for punctuation in sentences. > > You mean, you expected to see em dash there? They deliberately used > @samp{---} to prevent that, because otherwise the text would be > confusing: it talks about typing 3 dashes in the Texinfo sources. And > texinfo.texi doesn't have "@documentencoding UTF-8" which AFAIR is > required for the generation of non-ASCII characters from these > multiple dashes. Sorry, I actually meant that I think the above looks like I think it should. - In the first case, they use "@samp{---}" and it displays correctly. - In the second case, they use "---" and it displays correctly (as two HYPHEN-MINUS). IOW, when I wrote "that does not seem to happen" what I was trying to say was: "in the texinfo manual, the display looks correct to me", but I managed to say what I meant in a rather confusing and unclear way. > What is the bug that you want to fix here? I'm not sure I understand. Yes, that's my bad for not speaking clearly. :-) What I mean is that I think it would be better if our manuals displayed em dash (written as "---") as they are displayed in the texinfo manual: "--" (HYPHEN-MINUS, HYPHEN-MINUS), instead of as "=E2=80=94" (EM DASH). I = find the former way to display this character easier to read in the monospace fonts that we typically use. Alternatively, I think it would also be easier to read if it was displayed as " =E2=80=94 " (SPACE, EM DASH, SPACE). If we had width fonts here, I expect that "=E2=80=94" (EM DASH) would be fi= ne in most commonly used fonts.