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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251064 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > On 20.05.2020 17:04, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> I agree that, if we want users to interact with it, "eglot" is a pretty >> hard to understand name. Perhaps "lsp-start" and "lsp-stop" would be >> okay here, if that makes sense. > > So, what's your opinion on how lsp-mode would react to that particular > rename, and how should we feel about that? They chose to be uncooperative, AFAIU? Then where does that leave us? Maybe the onus is on them to choose a name which will not obviously conflict with the support we will likely (or obviously) want in core. It is good that they developed lsp-mode, but it is disappointing that they have so light-heartedly dismissed the possibility of getting it into core or GNU ELPA. If we agree that it is important to have lsp-support in core (my preference), or at least very easily installible through GNU ELPA, I don't see why we should worry at all about them somehow owning the prefix "lsp-". Because they don't. On the other hand, we could avoid the problem by using something like "lsp-core". It is not optimal but at least helps avoid name clashes. Best regards, Stefan Kangas