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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309447 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > That's not my position, FWIW. I'm ready to try some less-than-perfect > bug trackers, if the things they lack are relatively minor. > > The problem from my POV was that alternatives were researched, the > results of the research were published and discussed, the downsides > identified, and then the process stalled, perhaps because people got > disappointed by the deficiencies. > [...] > I'd prefer that "someone in charge" took a leap of hope, produced some > site we could use, and let us try it and see how workable is it. If > that/those person(s) did a good job, and would be ready to work on > fixing the issues reported during the initial use until we could make > the final decision, we could have some hope of finding a better tool. > the main challenge in this particular endeavor is that we'd need to > use two different trackers in parallel, at least for some time, so > some solution for syncing them would be in order. > > I hope something like this would be possible. > [...] > The crucial (for me) question is: how much less efficiently? With the > current mail-based flows, reviewing a patch is a snap, and applying a > patch takes mere seconds, even if I need to fix the commit message. > If seconds become minutes, it would be bad for productivity, and > eventually bad for our development rate. FWIW, I fully agree with everything that Eli is saying above. So it seems to me that we're mostly looking for one or more volunteers to do this important work. Any takers?