bug#19591: 24.4; file & buffer compare failures

[Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:56:54 -0800
>> From: Glenn Linderman <v+python@g.nevcal.com>
>>
>> However, the auxiliary program diff when launched by emacs still doesn't
>> accept files with such characters. The latest version of diff for
>> windows that I can find is 2.8.7. The error message from diff in the
>> error buffer seems to contain the proper characters for the file name,
>> but diff reports it cannot find the file so I tihnk it is a deficiency
>> in diff, like was in emacs versions prior to 24.4, using the
>> "bytes" version of open instead of the "widechars" version.
>
> Yes, Diff, as all the other native ports of GNU software to Windows,
> uses the ANSI APIs to access files and its command-line arguments.
>
> It is hardly the job of the Emacs team to fix programs that are not
> part of the Emacs package.  So I'm not sure what exactly did you
> expect of the Emacs project in this matter.
>
> You should know that the Emacs support for non-ASCII characters
> outside of the current system codepage stops short of extending that
> support to subprocesses invoked by Emacs, for this very reason: there
> are no native ports known to me of popular programs, such as Diff,
> Grep, find/xargs, etc. that can handle such file names.  So being able
> to pass such non-ASCII file names to those programs would be a waste
> of effort, since they cannot handle them.
>
>> While it may be somewhat inefficient, it would be possible for emacs to
>> work around the deficiency of diff by saving temporary copies of the
>> buffers to be compared using generated names in the ANSI subset.
>
> This is not practical.  The place in Emacs sources where command-line
> arguments of subprocesses are constructed and encoded has no idea
> which of these arguments are file names and which aren't.  (There are
> also additional technical difficulties to do that, too boring to go
> into here.)  Only the application level -- the Lisp program that needs
> to invoke Diff or whatever -- knows that.  So what you suggest would
> mean we need to add this kind of work-around in each and every place
> where some Lisp invokes some program, too many places to do that.  On
> top of that, this would be inefficient: a file could be very large.
>
> So I don't think this problem could or should be solved in Emacs.  Let
> people who produce the ports of Diff etc. add support for these
> characters first, then there will be a good reason for Emacs to do the
> same.

With the above explanation, I'm closing this bug report.

Best regards,
Stefan Kagas