From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding with-editor to Emacs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309909 Archived-At: Jonas Bernoulli writes: > Identifying the authors of the broken Emacs installations, contacting > them and explaining the issue to them, and then waiting for months/years > until the updates trickle down to users, was not an option. I need a > solution now. And this was such an exhausting experience, I did not > have the energy to *also* contact everyone who had messed up their Emacs > package. And it is such a bad memory (it was the first time I got > massively attacked for publishing free software), that I am also not > volunteering to do that work now. Wow, what a ride. I admire your patience, is all I can say. >> Do you mean that emacsclient is installed in a place that just typing >> "emacsclient RET" at the shell prompt fails to run it? If so, that's >> a broken installation, and Emacs shouldn't really try to fix that. > > I think this is a very reasonable for Emacs. In other words, the best > course of action is to just forget the suggestion that with-editor is > added to Emacs. There is no real need and nobody volunteering to do the > work anyway. It sounds like with-editor for the most part contains workarounds for broken Emacs installations? Is there anything in use-package that does not belong to that category, and that you therefore think *should* really be fixed in Emacs? Perhaps it would be worth focusing on just that part.