From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#37078: 27.0.50; Proposal: new introductory section to the Gnus manual Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:04:49 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87sgpym539.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="259288"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 37078@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eric Abrahamsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 27 04:06:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qs7-0015Ku-KI for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:06:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46024 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qs6-0002h1-By for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:06:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47125) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qrz-0002gu-M7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:06:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qry-0002jr-Cr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:06:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38597) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qry-0002jf-8u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:06:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qry-0000Dr-2s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:06:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 02:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 37078 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 37078-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B37078.1566871507780 (code B ref 37078); Tue, 27 Aug 2019 02:06:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 37078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Aug 2019 02:05:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qr5-0000CW-4o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:34295) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i2Qr3-0000Bx-Tb for 37078@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:05:06 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id n9so11714857pgc.1 for <37078@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:05:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cQbdJyy0pOIldtbWYuEJKc8yn6UsmPvWj4hv7RkxOu8=; b=U1+wd0TRgwuuKwYRSyHg7Yu+lE6v2XMNatIY+eiPBgd4K0WM0Ge8i2Wuji/sxSzxN7 7rgoYOz+2wSYm9KGVFFwE2deBYIJLXgyhjB0UX85qfAjHAsnUq6KFznCiuKD+hmZXf8Q MjlB+vofSqnQhHCaut8n5HdxZ/Ccz52dUdh7ezWmlzjJT5Z+Z+U74516U9QpYrowEjSx TCv2ExL6BUHF/JvAuvRy/UnrAi8/GYrgiL6AGy+QhuHRXkhBcEklx3XQe+rZGI0pyEBL Jht3+2KDlNduzGXKaIXzS0teyV1/1vi1Gy+SHWE+5KZWh7+KS+tup0aK1vKcVfb0hCm2 j4dQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU5nLuDcwrbgPaSXtNXBEeVusvhMJPDfzeSfLQ5HOapxph0JUow NA3+dTmGCaSo+FkYIp78A/1RmuyqqbHEyWLoY3RUBg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzZbFZwtOXAr59Jl5toAjf+6k+7Ial4ax2SzrbNgN/ZvdjuTsqAaBwiObUexRuSEnJYrznFgcE0dqi9ULcYV2U= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c086:: with SMTP id o6mr6954310pjs.2.1566871500062; Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:05:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87sgpym539.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:165933 Archived-At: Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Gnus has a great big manual, but it's a little difficult to dive into. I remember diving into Gnus 10 years ago and using it for a good 4-5 years. I can testify the initial setup was a bit daunting, and having read your proposal, I think it's a good introduction for beginners. > Welcome, gentle user, to the Gnus newsreader and email client! Gnus is > unlike most clients, in part because of its gross configurability, and > in part because of its historical origins. While Gnus is now a > fully-featured email client, it began life as a newsreader, and its DNA > is still newsreader DNA. Should we perhaps mention what "newsreader" means in this context? I suspect that a lot of people would read that as "RSS reader". Usenet is of course still around, but it's not commonly known that it even exists, in my experience. > The typical assumptions of a newsreader are: > > 1. The news server offers a potentially enormous number of newsgroups to > read. The user may only be interested in some of those groups, and > more interested in some than others. This makes sense if one knows basically what Usenet is already. > A Gnus installation is basically just a list of one or more servers, > plus the user=E2=80=99s subscribed groups from those servers. I would imagine that the groups contain articles. Perhaps that's worth mentioning. With those minor comments, I think it's a good addition to the Gnus manual. Thanks, Stefan Kangas