From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#7782: 24.0.50; 24.0.50: set-scroll-bar-mode missing under non-GUI environments Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 19:05:40 -0800 Message-ID: References: <87aajhgjv4.fsf@puma.rapttech.com.au> <87y2502jxm.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="37624"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Glenn Morris , Tim Cross , Stefan Monnier , 7782@debbugs.gnu.org To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 29 04:06:17 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PI8-0009ZE-Oy for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 04:06:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46756 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PI6-0002Yx-Rh for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:06:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33110) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PHu-0002YS-4x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:06:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36302) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PHt-0000lq-Qt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:06:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PHt-0001L9-Hl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:06:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 03:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 7782 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Original-Received: via spool by 7782-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B7782.16407471485112 (code B ref 7782); Wed, 29 Dec 2021 03:06:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 7782) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2021 03:05:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PHg-0001KO-Bn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:05:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175]:33542) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2PHe-0001K4-9Z for 7782@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 22:05:46 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 7so4720816pgn.0 for <7782@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 19:05:46 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/Sl+kZSg9gbWUz4wPYnl/X9OPCa1cx9gvAf9cj34BZ4=; b=sxFty02wFE+OKmuTBI9gbAMmZIVATY2gJIZKkzCdv8MaWtFr7kKmAvXDYd9jMkU3fP SAIo6Fs6m5CvM+z7eC9VdE7c6239ZSo5B8iysrEzDgBoVD0QK7w98e56noK8mfajCL7G iBDqsINL7DZSdNm3usmKQVof/J0wnI6Iu/RhAoEz7+2eYenCF9GGJFHirePjvHDjX+p2 5sEwgwi+VdXPaWrO5043KNn54hYTsEA08m9uFHhAJFWalcAVk+1KfyFYPKb3X9KsEkR7 SawYyDOFek0e4xQ9mlC/TT1Jca+4+pS3sT0I7f5NQzP7v8HFJj5/PBHNk7qfp8QVQLfH Bf7Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5337neheNX8dGdwCYWuWK1ZueG0BD/DQS/CNqK8cSevY8ODsJWLJ SdpDfu5U6CpQxzvVnAvku7Vl0E4EzBAbHxNb/U/iVirn X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwLVFpfP5+89e1DmaPqitq7s/0IB+54SN5JkxjAdw9nz+HRcXUTuElGMLHPBOEZMkGRCnoBEE6g+It1Qw8lBsE= X-Received: by 2002:a63:5d41:: with SMTP id o1mr21417495pgm.325.1640747140812; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 19:05:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 28 Dec 2021 19:05:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87y2502jxm.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 04 Dec 2021 21:29:09 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:223302 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> In a without-x build, neither tool-bar-mode nor set-scroll-bar-mode is >>> defined. >> >> That's the problem. I know Emacs has many such things already, but >> I think these are all bugs: I think we should adopt a convention that >> functions/variables should either be specific to one particular kind of >> display, or be display-independent. Since (set-)scroll-bar-mode is not >> specific to one particular kind of display (it is shared by w32, X11, >> and ns), it should exist independently from any particular display. > > I think that makes sense conceptually, but I think that people that do > a --without-x build do so for a particular reason: They want to have as > lean an Emacs as possible. (Otherwise -- why bother?) [snip] > Does anybody have an opinion here? How many kilobytes does not preloading it save? It might be that the savings are so small that the code simplification is more worthwhile.