From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#40813: [PATCH] Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83a731b2fr.fsf@gnu.org> <83368tb04t.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="87371"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 40813@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 14:12:20 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBq-000Mch-6P for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 14:12:18 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33698 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBp-0006ZV-7J for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:12:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBd-0006Rf-SI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBd-0003Ad-DQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45077) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBa-00037Q-Tv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:12:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBa-00078L-PK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:12:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 40813 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 40813-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B40813.158773031127396 (code B ref 40813); Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 40813) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 12:11:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56622 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBP-00077n-Cb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:11:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f169.google.com ([209.85.219.169]:37433) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jRxBG-00077L-J9 for 40813@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:11:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f169.google.com with SMTP id n2so4927818ybg.4 for <40813@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:11:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=imAorm9KL1P90A9LJvy3wxoqS/LpSl5AerR8CCTX3u0=; b=EShotu7YszyleOE9qQV4o3X3w7o7dMkAIOPjUWk6iEuTASi4DIXXLXdxlSG90EPNFh UsuukwoJOHyJHQGm6J6Zc6s3KkEJTGuhFlPZNv/JFCDtQkEHz7BDB4uCLMEEPsG0Z/2E JPtb4byD5B2tKigdI2kXs4L99mDQR2qMapd5/MRzxgMXQ3vd1u1Dsl6si3KFWqrvuZFg hvJdkwOw4k0ccNsH0sHInI736nDpUfpSiJObJD9xXqac62m8UYR1PVi44mRr+Xd1QyMR VEF5jrxTlONYl2zD9xkoN/MOog0fPiXI2gQUKuDbdPSnUKvchFcOag+IegMdVCF9ChER H2hQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubVMY2o73O27sZjQDwSecA/I5Y8XegeM9nXR/JA1DuwcMMjtOoS HAoBfTJehz2TFDBKYk+O/nVdojct5/TGGppINBw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLMEBnK0rZqFY3MV8EdSJqe0VKqzSQLqV9dje71L2PuZnEwPG2FcbiR5NpQVuI61D1ZjDAIMqoNS4Z8frpOeso= X-Received: by 2002:a25:e907:: with SMTP id n7mr14246139ybd.85.1587730297076; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 05:11:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83368tb04t.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:178913 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Of course it is. We should be economical, and not bloat the memory > footprint of a running Emacs session unnecessarily. On my machine, "emacs -Q" uses this much memory on start (according to pmap): total 363448K After M-x org-mode, the same process is using: total 372916K The difference is 2.6 percent. > Is there any reason not to have that key binding in Outline mode as > well? I guess it's just a matter of someone writing the code to make it happen. > > The main argument is that org-mode will be more familiar to users and > > prospective Emacs hackers. > > That needs to be established. Oh, okay. I based this statement on that I have seen almost no (or very few) recommendations of outline-mode over the years, while Org mode seems to be everywhere. But of course this is mostly anecdotal. > And the relevant population is not all > of the users, only those who tend to read NEWS. If they indeed prefer > Org mode, let's switch. OK, I agree. I will ask emacs-devel. Best regards, Stefan Kangas