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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314609 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2024 05:40:38 +0000 >> From: Jean-Christophe Helary >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> But now that I understand why Eli as project maintainer does not favour >> PO, I am totally fine with the project=E2=80=99s position. We need to >> investigate what are the best ways to handle TeXinfo files for >> translation and propose guidelines to potential translators. > > My personal preferences only matter when I do the translation. It is > wrong to impose those preferences on others. Of course, the > motivation to be able to work on translation in Emacs is high, but > whether what Emacs provides is good enough is up to each translator to > decide. Since Jean-Christophe seems willing to volunteer for this work, let's grab that opportunity with both hands. To be a bit more practical, here's what I'd propose: - Continue using PO for the translations for now, in particular the French one that is already using that format. - Get the infrastructure in place for such translations in emacs.git. - We can consider changing things later, if we can find or come up with a better alternative to PO. Does that basic plan make sense?