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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315838 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > Whether that is true or not, raising the limit by 8 characters creates > very little improvement in all of these respects. Even the worst of > modern displays can guarantee Emacs 80 columns of space, so it is not a > convincing compromise, and cannot be described except as an arbitrary > choice. While 80 or even 90 characters is perfectly fine for code, where most lines are much shorter in practice, the story is not necessarily the same for prose. All studies that I've seen have been unequivocal about the fact that too long lines hurt readability. You will find this noted also in pretty much any typographical handbook you care to pick up. The advice given in the study I quoted was to use 55-75 characters, and 72 characters is within that range. BTW, your math is off: the old default was 65, and not 64.