From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Where to contribute manual translations ? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314296 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Users of non-French locales do not want to see the French manual(s), I >> think. OTOH, if I start Emacs with something like >> >> LANG=3Dfr_FR emacs -Q >> >> I would probably like to see the french manual. > > So what will be in the menu in info/dire we distribute? > > And if we are going to have separate directories for each language, > both under doc/ and under info/, why do we also have to name the files > FOO-fr.texi or FOO-fr.info? I had in mind a shared directory for all translations, but we would compile them to separate directories under info such that doc/translations/misc/ses-fr.texi compiles into info/fr/ses-fr.info In the info/$LANG directories, we would put a separate `dir` file. Then we could simply add those language specific directories to `Info-directory-list' based on the locale, I think. The main purpose of having "ses-fr.texi" is to avoid having several files with the same file name under version control, which I personally find very confusing. I have no strong opinion about the naming of the .info file, but I thought that from the point of view of info, it would have to be in two files: `ses=C2=B4 and `ses-fr`, if they are to co-exist. Being able to access both the original and translated manuals at the same time seems useful. (I'm open to better ideas than what I present above, of course.)