From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: My perspective as a mid-level user on pros/cons of different editors Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:25:45 -0700 Message-ID: References: <251c030a-ade3-e945-d7a3-77cdbebc1812@yandex.ru> <8fe95ea3-05ad-fa40-54ab-494594348e9f@yandex.ru> <6f0014c2-f119-88f8-f3ac-1cd2575f69f4@yandex.ru> <90c406be-0bc8-f428-7928-461b42d12808@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="42601"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Rudi C , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Dmitry Gutov , =?UTF-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 20 23:26:31 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jbWER-000AyK-Bo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 23:26:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40466 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbWEQ-0004JQ-EK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:26:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbWDl-0003Xy-Fj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:25:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c]:46146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jbWDj-0006Ta-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 May 2020 17:25:48 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com with SMTP id s37so1722335ybe.13 for ; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Ffu0Jcdt52ltFblikxWcdxzUkLVs89DYa/hSe2lxKzA=; b=eQDN8d6xkfMGuV/0xGl6HDKkaDH3FwmPnLs9Gq6aaZrXnlXfWikXJeYrFC6mSsf9kr 6M9pFoNwqtYDrb+ohwPCkW49/vDJQ1maGT+jU2/cjcSLBvGMmjVG9vjTXWmFTjV7PXKV wsSMjm/NQn3zjodzdpRDJ7Al+XVsRak59TQ4Qg1ByXEI4g5OdUzcgBoBeB8r9AnmZtgI gLv3h2dZjtv3BUOJSRgzFhWV3Vv4ZVh3T0RnpA6gaHuh1cdLHMp2h3HShKgMc5CuXqMQ rDgpU7Udt5bT9smYAJgUf0TLnN4Ra0eDX7KGjUNhfaSAYadJVI4F83BGIJS/mfqX1Uxv zyfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Ffu0Jcdt52ltFblikxWcdxzUkLVs89DYa/hSe2lxKzA=; b=FI6jDbnrJWvgSyKNR3ZZ2h8n1oBVxEDsC32LL7bvGjW6XCrOnRP0+145wuS0qHwJ/Z SEYM88L1l/OgcdNDS2FgWwst0cFTViKJLVp67Ql1BuGGjI7WtyWF7kibkgoURBnRFh1+ FHfT40JfkJ1dHqFVw7F1dd4EZQMWYbWESOI5USUUQeKm0LxGNtE0Bd6F3LpBhnYSFwEg SCO4THtzYP5SgIPNP7/EX9moVU666kdeOQebXTyn3FzQxgugyTK4UelFZGpLbtjx+te+ kFfUAHaU2P7//rBjbdP1jUnXx5pVRYlYx7h+8hVuj/nm3IK+1lZ3OzwBtZzAOP/K6IQv 33ow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532yR6YWXCZ1SJsOG7RJ2dfIWbNWs4MRojGaVk8xPljf8ss5yG89 jCQK6GESs6j0EUbqU13jbbMFIu2fFjypK0po8SGskQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz6wHZdZDOQic3wSVztv/uWghM3Z0RYui7c+OR3y44jqFbj4xQ0vyOhGZiEKNfADvxj3L5xUUhOgqbO+f1l1XQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:bb08:: with SMTP id z8mr10584402ybg.129.1590009946418; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:25:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 20 May 2020 14:25:46 -0700 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2c; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb2c.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251115 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: >> They chose to be uncooperative, AFAIU? Then where does that leave us? > > Did they? These things are not so simple. I see your point, I'm perhaps not fully informed of all the back and forths. Or I don't understand them. So I'll concede my points and leave this to the best judgement of you all. I'm sorry if I stirred up any unnecessary feelings. Best regards, Stefan Kangas