From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 0161c9d 1/2: Load all generic-x.el modes unconditionally Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:00:08 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20210209160550.18823.10795@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <20210209160551.832FB20AD1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <87o8gti2ln.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg65jffx.fsf@gnu.org> <83im71j96z.fsf@gnu.org> <83czx8k3gn.fsf@gnu.org> <83sg64hqzj.fsf@gnu.org> <83im6zj1bo.fsf@gnu.org> <83k0reh6l6.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1115"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 11 19:02:20 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lAGID-000AeV-7o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:02:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54376 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAGIC-0007op-9s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:02:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35200) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAGGC-0006fY-FU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:00:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f50.google.com ([209.85.216.50]:36606) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lAGGA-0005EX-QT; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:00:12 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f50.google.com with SMTP id gx20so3852491pjb.1; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:00:10 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=G8lzDteFIFiHGFvQ/r4PsT1FjbZnxS9gNBRbFgPDegs=; b=t29qzb2XwlnrDRRvn14YiL8qvbouxawsGkdDbcBfPu1wD6zpBbD1HZKFoc7VS1xUP5 DM8oTs0mr/DG7P1cfvVL38OUtJYCI3MZQBeWTBXsC1vTlhDiiVsNMk5qlSg864OXhZA3 XwPH35hHwPR4fW2SGIsH9RhuG7+9ModKAgSRd8b4e3+bTZudcoD6Z2Y4BxoAyapuiakU ek+PXHbjplzGfTmf2PuOmAHgxd3QUG3/VzKxOTNc2XKgkCZAAzzJngH/w/auc7PwTI02 HHXJB9ypybtG+kvp+Shln2ae9E0CXtbduIJu6zsemROY5qrdFFpkSVv/z/VKDZfE38xT 3rNQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532tpSEYOGeynsHfLSA6EH82e6e8dry/sSutxhcghUx+7UWgxRR2 0fMKNsr3w2sP2pW6tWL6ESB0YEe4cemEtzUCRgZ3FUac X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxw6raqDG/HXBNYAOghvTV/PPG0UDVVbtxkqW5K9pNh7CLuQPWwAOTUFOWgSUFzFNTyP6Ya/odnU8Xj/20ur3A= X-Received: by 2002:a17:903:31c4:b029:e1:8840:8ab9 with SMTP id v4-20020a17090331c4b02900e188408ab9mr8608841ple.70.1613066408958; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 10:00:08 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:00:08 -0600 In-Reply-To: <83k0reh6l6.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.216.50; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-f50.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264417 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> And would the above solution be acceptable to you, Eli? > > The "above" being that generic-x will add to the end of > auto-mode-alist? Yes. > You assume that having some font-lock cannot hurt, but that isn't > necessarily what users will think, because someone might _want_ to > have certain files edited in Fundamental mode, and adding font-lock > could therefore be an unexpected annoyance. Surely anyone who doesn't want font-lock should be expected to just turn it off? They could M-x fundamental-mode, M-x font-lock-mode, or just remove the entry from auto-mode-alist. They could even `push' a new element to it saying to use fundamental-mode instead. Or they should just not have required generic-x to begin with, since its express purpose is to add font-locking to various assorted files. I'm also not sure we should ask what some users "might" want, because that seems to me too broad. I think that for any idea, you can always find those one or two users who really like or dislike it. Isn't it therefore more productive to ask what *most* current and new users are likely to want, and try to model our defaults based on that (while of course doing our best to respect existing use patterns)?