From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PL support Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 06:03:35 -0700 Message-ID: References: <9mmFgzvrBwjt_n_VJyaJdXINraNi5HsGpwq-0MLeKiJA7kG2BQA4uywrzjyz7lpRS0OZDpjEi8lspOKYUA7P_QsODsDew_8nbH960G55fmY=@protonmail.com> <83ftc9dm07.fsf@gnu.org> <0d678371-2df7-519e-5ec0-7e26bfa6ea34@gmail.com> <11dff979-002e-e03e-2e3e-cdb09fcc409e@yandex.ru> <8017be3d-a4ed-61eb-9bdb-9a95c77a0698@gmail.com> <3adf65ae-fd0d-4fee-adfd-e11d39a148fc@yandex.ru> <01e211df-acfb-fb8a-eedc-7cb439b64cd8@yandex.ru> <57491476-b7d1-ed1e-9eaf-bc45db607ae8@yandex.ru> <835zd2bf2h.fsf@gnu.org> <1c43f78b-2bc5-8c81-4a57-ba63bb721c85@yandex.ru> <83wo5i9z21.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7wm9uy7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="108554"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, cpitclaudel@gmail.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: rms@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 13 15:04:54 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jYr4A-000S7K-AL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:04:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52022 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYr49-0007ZH-9o for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:04:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42400) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYr2w-0006gw-HK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:03:38 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-xb43.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b43]:42114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jYr2v-0004UP-IG; Wed, 13 May 2020 09:03:38 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-xb43.google.com with SMTP id i16so8778159ybq.9; Wed, 13 May 2020 06:03:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uycceE4phbweZGqw+1iRnaapvIA0/Zh/We/LHBhWbw8=; b=TO+oEU0aM4tDrUDZLsPuhc6q3I42dLQ8PF2mXl9bLeCLqkREePML3Xb6LJHwZ73rJd O93t7CrKJVdZGeNFH9tfwdCPcIXdcRjjKTE5rG9bN4RP1oaYZ5PqBl8pgn59L5SYE/xy 96a6VTwXJM2W7EoFpV4cEpuld5XZ66lDPQjqZaf/ZVCWODMQcSnhGRd5lWNBBTsokUG2 PZ9eiC1IAP8IAL5pY3+TRbXnbsq8kp5XPnux7pzczHHWZXK//B23CA828HjA89QNPqfy GDnzMrrFsHsolanrQLSIF5XyApXqLX/OKvyIMLproW2ZBJTw6/MZj7ApWChAXJk87JkL RPng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uycceE4phbweZGqw+1iRnaapvIA0/Zh/We/LHBhWbw8=; b=m2JQ77wbo4/0FBAkv3rmO5sFSfelMVmPBQfJGdlp8ISq8rpPms9qz8lL9KEUViyPLd o1uRVhmlz/7M1HrnPudS/fQkbZakBgS/MeqDlMBRS03w588xLyX0pvh7R046QljOwidG ztS8tgRQJHcChRWiTbu60R6rDUt/kJFgg84mwy0/IjjNQ8VdCu1ikprf0pYYbEaZmyw6 EdoPetLVO0ChB/cxgsEcbi2U3bxSwmy/LEbRWztzQCbTHDdk20J3IQTT/YpCqmeIo8K9 ZZ6Sgob0nkUJKLLVhoG30dl5Td+hL7BqkNgEunxROj7q4kUFOA24cXlgeq/pfE8pf4O/ 6NtA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0Pub6XLVtCiFbsRScuLRjkxRhyQWr1cjPwgqLxQY6sMlxUabZ99Ao DeClHnlXH0vnhgvclbbRQna3LfrUdENtp8Iba6EC0iSg X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwApSOpbc8bwMb6mKkiMVoh/UhfBpO5DJdUEQex2PDrpgfrSZZnqgRhBOFjnCEr/r+nBNwxbv27ouWFuuRenSQ= X-Received: by 2002:a25:86d0:: with SMTP id y16mr23269248ybm.309.1589375015656; Wed, 13 May 2020 06:03:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 13 May 2020 06:03:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b43; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-xb43.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250121 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > Our unwillingness to make Free Software packages like Magit or Tuareg > > easily installable into Emacs with no extra configuration forces many > > of our users to add MELPA to their `package-archives`. > > It doesn't force anyone to do anything. Please stop the > exaggeration; that is not valid reasoning, just venting. According to Merriam-Webster, "forced" means "compelled by force or necessity : involuntary". I'm not sure I understand why using that word is exaggerating. Users have no other choice than adding MELPA to `package-archives' if they want to use Emacs for certain things. For example editing some popular programming languages and using certain tools effectively. The other alternative is of course to not use Emacs for that. But arguably that's not much of a choice. Best regards, Stefan Kangas