From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: bug#30854: 27.0.50; Speeding up package.el startup Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:23:59 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22877"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier , arthur.miller@live.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 19 19:25:01 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kqgua-0005o5-Dp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 19:25:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38268 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqguZ-0004U4-GO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 13:24:59 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqgtf-0003hH-0m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 13:24:03 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-x636.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::636]:34259) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kqgtd-0000wd-BR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 13:24:02 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-x636.google.com with SMTP id t6so3210543plq.1 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:24:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AMmCr6CyZZo3oJ/7zu8TzMjlidIqf+yR8y1QflE+xUY=; b=JfULnXAUPvCix5h1ckO+Y5en/IkjSK9V7ifCL7W/Fm4JOrheQIFJgVNjHikpcEA4bZ QKIth31LsurGeJdsyj1wUJKX3MsFHoaHftAehKiFFSJUW/seQyM0+F5edxgXM+FBkCNM qfYLy4EZIg1hRWIYcX7Nt6jEF2Cs+YMoySpGnydlLxl2dcjdmS/gj0Bkg73EAprMlfO3 16T4ozsd19+kwlAhKnCUfFTzI/Ue2jjqrYNW+ewhcPyOPA23vo3Wg+MM1USRJn3p6ss0 Yau75ZQQZfTZsCvvmbTjYDNA2lVcLwLdnwk7vTxxxphNZo80AzveubrVdC9F0d9I2pMy bWfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AMmCr6CyZZo3oJ/7zu8TzMjlidIqf+yR8y1QflE+xUY=; b=qy2YLyv91aglGoTpksmzffjw2+BLl7rL/931Ur80shcD974eDaMFO28UuKdXOTvQw2 uctD77wjfaACE+jJI2xveuV4ms3tszJaGo48h3feEFmINnPPQYpNAwnWGwbncZMK9D18 eLOJJPARw+nmBiPQG/7JpR8/JAAbzq0YYjptZlR7FTV1xNWCjsevBXUXE15tpZXO1lqV njYn52n6yRVjg6BUIe5vbyit19MuvqKzVGfAVZu9IT+jN7Vm5U8SGOUBwHtIaqyrzmJe PuaPyMPl2rEsubwTevBUWIVK7wkc0JLMCO81XqpQ6ccYwPoY/8BIyrnIpvuwCV7phpNt U55w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531FC+J9/0+IZjoJaI+Qhz2aYqiKlhGL617Fu5HhzlOaH/OV2Yrs uXeyAB3tFv0ukfK/V0On2TJplOV1fAVKIWzZM5Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzaApvPkVmtj03dUoCHGtdqLFtzcJgsV08Lz4ljt1vhh+75TIcC4b3JI95nTcHn6y8DRXD8ljzFduI2v1Ms8Nc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fb43:: with SMTP id iq3mr10210440pjb.175.1608402239756; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:23:59 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 19 Dec 2020 12:23:59 -0600 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::636; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x636.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261266 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > Maybe the difference is just due to loading `package`? > IOW, what happens if you add (require 'package) to your "Quick start > disabled" version? Does the startup time go back up to ~0.28? Why not just preload package.el? A good 75 percent of our users seem to use it, according to the Emacs Survey. 28.8 % built-in package.el 46.3 % use-package [uses package.el behind the scenes] ------ 75.1 % total Source: https://emacssurvey.org/2020/