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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283639 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Blame the > ridiculous software copyright issues and large corporations that are > behind those, and also dishonest people and companies which use free > software without making their code freely available. FWIW, I fully and completely agree with the general sentiment here. It is this unjust, immoral and pernicious situation that forces us to use copy-left to begin with. In a reasonable system, there would be no need to use licenses to protect our rights. > Saying "it's a shame" that assignment process is needed and is in some > cases legally complicated is like blaming the traffic lights for > turning red at times. It's not the traffic light that should be > blamed, it's the chaos that would ensue if the traffic laws were not > in place and enforced. The copyright assignment requirement is not forced on us by external factors. With few exceptions, the rest of the free software world lives happily without it. Emacs *choose* to use it in the hope that it will give some legal advantages in a future GPL violation case. Whether or not that will be needed in such a trial is anybody's guess (including the FSF lawyers, BTW, so they keep insisting) but I note that there are several GPL violation cases that have been quite successful without it. Glibc and GCC have recently moved to use a DCO instead. I think we should follow their lead: https://sourceware.org/glibc/wiki/Contribution%20checklist#Copyright_and_license