From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#41361: Fwd: Re: python.el: improve sexp-based navigation or make it optional? Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:51:52 -0500 Message-ID: References: <7e0e2951-a346-4d4f-421e-7a59ab1dd4ae@online.de> <87y2pl2ylw.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16738"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 41361@debbugs.gnu.org, immerrr@gmail.com, Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 20 03:52:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRio-0004FJ-Gi for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 20 Mar 2021 03:52:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41602 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRin-0005pZ-4a for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:52:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRic-0005pI-3r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:52:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39725) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRib-0001uc-Sz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:52:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRib-00016v-PG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:52:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 02:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 41361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 41361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B41361.16162087204261 (code B ref 41361); Sat, 20 Mar 2021 02:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 41361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Mar 2021 02:52:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRiZ-00016f-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:52:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f46.google.com ([209.85.216.46]:53117) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lNRiY-00016Q-8t for 41361@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 22:51:58 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f46.google.com with SMTP id ha17so5558423pjb.2 for <41361@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=R3lHEOCfCoDhS8XmncTtZqfGX0CZXPhAmvzxUFJI+zE=; b=AhCU+OFI5K16zLdH2o0D6ipFxFzWE4AJtoTicgNM26GDfuE+jp5VdwWIA2mE5yDqhU 8fdcDxgsJL6McCHKW4JoPHVkBhZC0newGtGEnJ1gPFdUG+SPX17i/Ay25VpmrWDlQZLQ +BevGoq1cLf5NIjLRrxIsmkkSWMMyI/1qqnNQAl4CNFgrbFHhGuH951FW1GioxtrvN+z 7+iN1X1In0TmZp8LtU0dohVtaYK3NdrENHhAY1vn4bm1ih7n1TcfNmB9ik8ENIKEOvIZ rFt6TgyAeYEnOMeNL/oRAtDxXbl8XqZKkkByBaI/0gmlQTayk4/Eq8bOZRib/+FZ7KrS miYQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533CPBVNE3Xzpeiky4vslCVKVm8/gL31WvLTyUvTDsEr8y8m3A9m kZVrKhprMnU5jtNe+fNbHUU8y7Fylej+gj9fadA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxl9+cLOY7fuiBo12zDfEJgbe7UOfTfu2GcWuXe9iY8+sp5hm42Z7dYOAagddnVrLthdwH8FZJJuD0MIH4vKO4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:f986:: with SMTP id cq6mr1526639pjb.175.1616208712454; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 19:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 19 Mar 2021 21:51:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87y2pl2ylw.fsf@gmail.com> ("=?UTF-8?Q?Jo=C3=A3o_?= =?UTF-8?Q?T=C3=A1vora?="'s message of "Thu, 21 May 2020 14:42:35 +0100") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:202717 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> Andreas R=C3=B6hler writes: >> >>> maybe make forward-sexp-function customizable. Currently that var is >>> set inside the derived mode: >> >> I agree that this should be customizable. > > I too am a fan of sexp navigation (C-M-f, C-M-b, etc.) If this > navigation in indeed superior, we could consider making it the default > for python-mode? Something similar thing was done recently for > nxml-mode, by changing nxml-sexp-element-flag from nil to t. I liked > this change very much. I have been back to coding a bunch of Python lately, and having experimented with this I think making it the default behavior is indeed a good idea. In the linked emacs-devel thread, I said that the old behavior was fine, which I guess is true. I have now come to the conclusion that it is also worse than the alternative. :-)