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From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>, thibaut.verron@gmail.com
Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:25:48 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmkcUP9gWQJmKL4xAwE0CJ4KkMojeDmsrpyFtNpUcCM_xQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kJLyk-0008AM-UC@fencepost.gnu.org>

ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt) writes:

>    >    On balance this a good thing, IMO.  And if you disagree, it will only
>    >    bother you once.
>    >
>    > No, it will bother _each_ and _every_ time I start a new Emacs where I
>    > have not done so previously.  That is a fairly common situation, both
>    > for new users, but also for experienced users who are the majority of
>    > Emacs users.
>    >
>    > Lets not make Emacs annoying to use, OK?
>
>    I, for one, would be happy to have a one-click option to set a bunch
>    of reasonable defaults whenever I start Emacs on a new device.
>
> And using the splash screen, that exact possibility is also there.  So
> nothing is lost.

Yes, something is lost.  No matter how you go about doing it, it is
clear that it will be significantly less visible.  That's the entire
reason why you are arguing for it, if I understand correctly.

I claim that opening Emacs on new accounts with no .emacs will be
infrequent for most users.  And for users where it is not infrequent,
such as network administrators and the like, it should be easy to turn
the question off using the site file.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-09-19 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-17  8:50 A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Nicola Manca
2020-09-17  9:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17  9:27   ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 12:24     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:35       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:22         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:26           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:31             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:34               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 14:27                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 16:49                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 18:25                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 18:59                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-18 19:23                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19  8:37                           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19  9:21                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 11:25                           ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2020-09-19 15:09                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 19:31                               ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 19:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 21:37                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  6:22                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-20  7:45                                   ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  8:13                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20  8:25                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-21 17:19                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 12:59                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-22 14:11                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 17:50                                           ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-22 18:08                                             ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-22 19:12                                               ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-19 21:04                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 21:26                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  6:21                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19  8:30                         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 15:50                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-20  3:53                     ` 황병희
2020-09-17 13:38             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:40       ` Nicholas Savage
2020-09-17 13:22         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:28         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 19:40         ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-17  9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-17  9:32   ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17  9:44     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-21 20:00       ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22  3:38         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:50           ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 21:54             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-23 14:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 14:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 13:22               ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 13:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 14:43                   ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26  4:35                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 17:08                         ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-29 17:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 20:40                             ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 12:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:13                                 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 16:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:49                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 17:23                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 17:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-02 16:10                                     ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-02  3:51                                   ` Classifying packages Richard Stallman
2020-09-22  3:38         ` A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:57           ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-23  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-25 12:40               ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:22                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-26  4:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 14:29                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-27  2:43                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27 19:49                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28  3:49                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28  4:50                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 22:03                             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  2:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29  2:35                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29  4:16                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  5:35                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29  5:45                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 15:21                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 13:07                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 15:32                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27  4:32                                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-27  7:50                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  7:19                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29  7:55                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  8:23                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29  8:27                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 15:07                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 18:36                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-30 19:25                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 19:50                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-01  7:27                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 13:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:10                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 12:44                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:19                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02  3:51                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  6:59                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:13                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:05                                           ` dictionary.el could be included in main stream Emacs - " Jean Louis
2020-10-02 11:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 17:36                                               ` Torsten Hilbrich
2020-10-01 18:47                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-28 22:05                             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-21 17:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22  3:40   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22  6:22     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-23  3:43       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22  6:24     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:22         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:31           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:52             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 15:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 16:03                 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 16:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23  3:41           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 15:44         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-23  3:41         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-23 14:21           ` Eli Zaretskii

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