bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

Package: Emacs
Version: 30.0.50


Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
(http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).

AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
ELPA instead.

Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?


        Stefan


 In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.38, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2024-04-23 built on pastel
Repository revision: c736206045227123fd2dec4c8028f013f78090c5
Repository branch: work
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101007
System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm)

Configured using:
 'configure -C --enable-checking --enable-check-lisp-object-type --with-modules --with-cairo --with-tiff=ifavailable
 'CFLAGS=-Wall -g3 -Og -Wno-pointer-sign' --without-native-compilation
 PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/monnier/lib/pkgconfig'

Configured features:
CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND
THREADS TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM
GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: fr_CH.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix

Major mode: Summary

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bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[JD Smith]

> On May 23, 2024, at 8:21 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> 
> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
> ELPA instead.
> 
> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?

I support this plan.   Thanks for your help merging ~10yrs of diverged commits.  The version on ELPA is functional with recent versions of IDL. 

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors]

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Package: Emacs
> Version: 30.0.50
>
>
> Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
> unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
> The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).
>
> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?

Why not merge the new version into Emacs 30 instead?  There is 450 GB of
free storage in my computer just waiting to be occupied, while moving
one package into lisp/obsolete will save but a few dozen bytes in
loaddefs.el.

> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
> ELPA instead.

That way lies madness.  A solid three quarters of our features target
very small or specialized audiences, and I trust no one is proposing to
delete, say, lisp/language/tibetan.el or lisp/international/ogonek.el?

I've stated this before and I will again.  Raw popularity is not a
measure of whether a package deserves a place in core, and the
reconciliation of its two divergent versions into a single package under
our auspices actually eliminates one of the more compelling reasons to
divest Emacs of this specific package that emerged last it was
considered.

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Andrea Corallo]

Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:

> Package: Emacs
> Version: 30.0.50
>
>
> Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
> unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
> The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).
>
> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
> ELPA instead.
>
> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?

SGTM.

  Andrea

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Stefan Kangas]

Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> writes:

> Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
> text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Package: Emacs
>> Version: 30.0.50
>>
>>
>> Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
>> unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
>> The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
>> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).
>>
>> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
>> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
>> ELPA instead.
>>
>> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?
>
> SGTM.

+1

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Stefan Kangas]

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
>> text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Package: Emacs
>>> Version: 30.0.50
>>>
>>>
>>> Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
>>> unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
>>> The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
>>> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).
>>>
>>> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
>>> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
>>> ELPA instead.
>>>
>>> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?
>>
>> SGTM.
>
> +1

I suppose we missed the train for Emacs 30, but how about doing this on
master now?

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Stefan Kangas]

close 71157 31.1
thanks

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
>>> text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
>>>
>>>> Package: Emacs
>>>> Version: 30.0.50
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
>>>> unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
>>>> The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
>>>> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).
>>>>
>>>> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
>>>> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
>>>> ELPA instead.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?
>>>
>>> SGTM.
>>
>> +1
>
> I suppose we missed the train for Emacs 30, but how about doing this on
> master now?

That was 18 weeks ago.

I have now moved idlwave.el and related files to lisp/obsolete, and
added a NEWS entry.  Please see commits 75c5aaae893 and b3c82f939c3.

I'm therefore closing this bug report.

bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[JD Smith]

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> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> Andrea Corallo <acorallo@gnu.org> writes:
>>> 
>>>> Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of
>>>> text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org> writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> Package: Emacs
>>>>> Version: 30.0.50
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Idlwave has been bundled with Emacs "forever" but that code has been
>>>>> unmaintained for many years.  There was another version over on Github.
>>>>> The two have now been consolidated and made available via GNU ELPA
>>>>> (http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/idlwave.html).
>>>>> 
>>>>> AFAICT this is a package with a very small audience, so I suggest we
>>>>> unbundle it from Emacs, leaving it up to users to install it from GNU
>>>>> ELPA instead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe we could move it to `lisp/obsolete` for Emacs-30?
>>>> 
>>>> SGTM.
>>> 
>>> +1
>> 
>> I suppose we missed the train for Emacs 30, but how about doing this on
>> master now?
> 
> That was 18 weeks ago.
> 
> I have now moved idlwave.el and related files to lisp/obsolete, and
> added a NEWS entry.  Please see commits 75c5aaae893 and b3c82f939c3.

Thanks.  Just a few days ago a user encountered a warning that confused them, arising from idl-shell looking for and failing to find an IDL install.  This should help with such accidental encounters.  I presume this will also have the side effect of removing the `.pro' entry from `auto-mode-alist'?

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bug#71157: 30.0.50; Unbundle Idlwave from Emacs?

[Stefan Kangas]

JD Smith <jdtsmith@gmail.com> writes:

> I presume this will also have the side effect of removing the `.pro'
> entry from `auto-mode-alist'?

Yes, it's removed also.