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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314611 gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3372 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: >> @author is a TeX command and goes into the printed version. For >> translation, we'd need a separate directive, I think, since a >> translator is not the author. Again, this is something for the >> Texinfo folks to handle. > > Legally speaking a translator is an author. Depending on the > jurisdiction (Anglo-Saxon right vs EU right for ex.), the translator > hold full copyright on the translation, unless it was a work for hire, > etc. That=E2=80=99s why there are contracts between publishing houses and > translators to allow or not the use of the translation is such and such > format. I am not an IP lawyer, but I know what=E2=80=99s written in the > contracts I=E2=80=99ve signed. Legally, and morally too. Translation work should be credited just the same as we do other work. But I think Eli's point was that we might need a separate directive like @translator for that, and that this should be handled by the Texinfo developers.