From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39293: [PATCH] Base bookmark-bmenu-mode on 'tabulated-list-mode' Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 15:16:12 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87lfpu9ag8.fsf@marxist.se> <047a219c-5378-4cb6-97bb-e57187324988@default> <87zhea6mih.fsf@marxist.se> <376f3945-8247-4be6-b519-6aefa1ddc819@default> <87mu6y9tsr.fsf@stefankangas.se> <773f232e-b1c0-4db7-b537-7c6d8d9f54cb@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="65236"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39293@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 24 00:17:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jccSB-000Gr7-BA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 24 May 2020 00:17:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54614 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jccSA-0000t0-Cc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:17:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jccRy-0000al-Sg for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:52612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jccRy-0006cJ-IO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:17:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jccRy-0007Aw-DG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:17:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 22:17:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39293 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 39293-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39293.159027218227533 (code B ref 39293); Sat, 23 May 2020 22:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2020 22:16:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jccRJ-0007A1-Po for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:16:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f172.google.com ([209.85.219.172]:46294) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jccRH-00079m-4f for 39293@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 May 2020 18:16:20 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f172.google.com with SMTP id b131so4791284ybg.13 for <39293@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 23 May 2020 15:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e11yDIh8dt6ej8hefrGPjSV7UdheSBeOxcvVjuPWX1U=; b=k8VxvW8wTM7YGQzJroAp0EKs33kJQaiI7d+cz9DfTTuwr1iTCw42GZPLeDndwTXl1e XwCKTivm8K8FIvb5UXqCTZ6F5k2nQBGymMouFZRCp3yHiLNwLNE4WNYA5UX6uL1P9k5x XnUMAraS3c1id+zqgrLPRNmkb7MgSP01Ui+ywJumtAZMIAjQyj1aRSUSu7+3I+MY3pXA Nh6Gq63ydG/DiXF7M0k8sbEDwivOHRceaFOo8bgv/1Di6StYy8MflQVl43auI2aaj8Ct hAJHhEcL5DoUqcezavbIrZ/x9bTvcXwDpYuSJg6G3McxlSyKOpCh7viCiWBqTi/AuyP/ hRJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530m3G6eCnTv+jmkFF62sadSbOA34DbkVnEN+FiBFO5ZyVTWFh+z zm0W0OMSeIYe6GboVMSYiSyamia9+qGLJHun8nA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy6wvHq/sT+kyqyVmZiHABWPzokQlQM4NzSMz3/zEjdpKxqdw0byI66K8lpPzYGpfp7Q56IsTdymPWJYDnuKS4= X-Received: by 2002:a25:5f4a:: with SMTP id h10mr18960049ybm.389.1590272173426; Sat, 23 May 2020 15:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 23 May 2020 15:16:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: <773f232e-b1c0-4db7-b537-7c6d8d9f54cb@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180854 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Revisiting this now, I would have been interested to know the answer >> > to this question: "Could you please explain which limitations you >> > see, and how you concretely see them affecting bookmark-bmenu-mode?" > > See my message of Jan 26 (url in previous mail). Thanks, that unfortunately takes us back to square one. As you know, I've tried to understand that email before, and posed a series of questions in a reply the same day. Could we please restart the discussion from there? 1. You wrote that I don't appreciate "the specificity of the features offered by libraries such as Dired and bookmarking". I replied: "Which features are you talking about?" Could you please clarify this point? 2. You wrote: > Sorting in Dired or the bookmark list (at least with > Bookmark+) is _much more_ useful and flexible than > just sorting columns. Why? Because the things > displayed are of different kinds across rows, not > just across columns. I replied that AFAIU you are not limited to sorting across columns using tabulated-list-mode. Can we therefore consider that part settled? 3. You wrote: > Yes, I use it (e.g. in my library `apu.el'). But it > is very limited, and the limitations do not just stem > from a lack of more generic features. I use it only > when it's appropriate. I replied: "Could you please explain which limitations you see, and how you concretely see them affecting bookmark-bmenu-mode?" Could you please clarify this point? > Provide a user option. Make use of tabulated-list > mode optional. Maybe, but first we need to understand why it is even needed in the first place. Best regards, Stefan Kangas