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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277291 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Removing or changing the current string-based syntax would be > impossible, so a plan that starts with as a criterion is already dead. Can't we impose pretty much any syntax we like in new forms, such as 'defvar-keymap' and 'kbd-valid-p'? I'm looking at a fragment like this: "P" #'cvs-status-prev - (kbd "M-n") #'cvs-status-next - (kbd "M-p") #'cvs-status-prev + ["M-n"] #'cvs-status-next + ["M-p"] #'cvs-status-prev "t" #'cvs-status-cvstrees And I feel like it would be nice if we could avoid putting these strings in a vector. Especially if we don't do it consistently. At the same time, maybe I don't understand the overreaching plan. Is the idea to be able to replace any use of (kbd "M-x") with ["M-x"] everywhere, including in 'define-key' et al?