From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GNU Emacs raison d'etre - 1981-ish version Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 21:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: References: <83eerl33j5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="101204"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, excalamus@tutanota.com, eduardoochs@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org, Robert Pluim Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 19 06:40:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jau2r-000QCS-Tg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 06:40:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43960 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jau2q-00078y-UQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 00:40:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jau1z-0006h7-7x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 May 2020 00:39:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-x734.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::734]:41816) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jau1w-00040c-ER; Tue, 19 May 2020 00:39:06 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-x734.google.com with SMTP id n14so13230816qke.8; Mon, 18 May 2020 21:39:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GsSHw0TLje4NN9cByZRdGnM/++Gw6WAtDqe5k9cal7Y=; b=jiJ8qa0Bt+A568GmrYGGqbrVhouYneZraKa91ZcYtJOsl54E3YfdKkpLmVuQOTB7X5 ghhOQ2kslbnxg9sTOx9BQSWzBD7Im5N8QonJfDHWCasVDyjoUOFwz6rU7fuWmiOdEszj uaAHtjhJ/AgzGP+gJFKk5U2nZQzv5oIom8Tkj1nFaLt1t1f//aNngKxR0j9yXimuVoJJ HgyZN4EwikY4PBczPRZcVLnkRwAMPNNQszTL1lGXqBDelBxt6TV0i+BBG8I2u/ja6953 vPEmhYQ969mJpP+vC+ty1GjX0lfCu6zOa11G3OLGNFJItnbkDA4S4Euuk5rPkNXqBPn7 s04A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GsSHw0TLje4NN9cByZRdGnM/++Gw6WAtDqe5k9cal7Y=; b=nDlTAy+WWm0EFozriFlNIhtOhFTlkJLLbrQFZx1TBaholA6kywkq037uPutu2hz8Xq kGxWL/i/dRg6DSouWbUAoUCD3N0sC4OuQwfoMo7orgFKzW8200JSpJjN8CyXFONcuA8V sW2R3KhChPrtASFZdJlxFh8fYQw0b7GMnVD4Wwl/9biW2IF45lyKGb49U3f+1sTPb4RN jav54BiaLXEX7JBOZAO16UV6BAUKRlI4LVh5y9fm6BLo/xChEEUXGTWYN3fMmuaAFftN fReQScg6ozQh4eZSjw6oZ7pf+wCDgGc2AQcWrF8OX3+KxJSKyncZ/vH3oLPYrmJBOROW BjPQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hBiaOvqIXUgyNVVP57Osk8HoKFjNlU0n6G+ZZfy/uZ04Sq0UU 9LRMmE3tm0FOSlRLveC8/qLMSotw+zLzXY0YXS7Muw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyo8hq7SdZGxwKUQp6E3d6RwHM0CWTgtZr0DqBYT1iLDCuuvwT//soFKuOFpaSU2HourbUDkdO6nJYBW8X3v0s= X-Received: by 2002:a25:6883:: with SMTP id d125mr34418928ybc.43.1589863142462; Mon, 18 May 2020 21:39:02 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 18 May 2020 21:39:02 -0700 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::734; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x734.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250870 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > Richard> Perhaps we should make a page and a canned response, "Ch= eck the Emacs > > Richard> manuals before you believe what other people's web site = say about > > Richard> Emacs." And publicize that in lots of ways. > > > These are not "other people's web sites", they=CA=BCre the Emacs manu= als on > > gnu.org, just for a different version of Emacs from the one the user > > is running. > > That is unfortunate. Does anyone have a concrete idea for how we could > improve this? AFAICT, we provide only one version of the manual on gnu.org. Maybe we should have a copy for each version, with pointers between them. That way, a user could still be reading the wrong manual, but at least has a chance to notice the mistake. For example, Python does a good job at that: https://docs.python.org/3/ Another idea would be to add a brief note to the top of every page along the lines of: "This is the web version of the GNU Emacs manual for version 27.1. It may or may not correspond to the version of Emacs you have installed. You can always read the manual in Emacs with the command C-h i (press CTRL-h and then i)." Best regards, Stefan Kangas