From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#46236: 26.1; explicit the info files installation Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:11:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: <875z3bq3p6.fsf@host.localdomain> <83fszkqacg.fsf@gnu.org> <192e82f20f22020cd392@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24187"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: marmot-te@riseup.net, 46236@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 21 15:12:16 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCeN-0006Bn-Vr for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:12:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57112 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCeM-0000kL-S7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:12:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60010) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCeB-0000jC-JV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCeA-0002Gt-Lp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCeA-0006oD-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:12:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 46236 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 46236-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B46236.161901068726120 (code B ref 46236); Wed, 21 Apr 2021 13:12:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 46236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2021 13:11:27 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57186 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCda-0006nE-Km for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:11:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f170.google.com ([209.85.214.170]:46847) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lZCdX-0006my-3n for 46236@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 09:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f170.google.com with SMTP id s20so5775158plr.13 for <46236@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:11:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=g/UQsJdUP37EDm2qFS9Y4O5ZdgnoWMHBAFsZ+K/ud18=; b=W2mlMZFvVVlX0W+p/B4hQ1jtI0X6Sc6JUM9KNOPnyHh5TN6bi58tFBDKDMviGwyyjG NISxuHy6vPMZNhvkWb/wVA7A3Rk7oa8OIXHqk5GCvaPnQDokQZNTyRDqu3La9kcy1FYu 4abxhsdj696xfhSG8mOfgDSaOtTgq4W18QRxUGFWCXPSIXkrl3FmG01tVMKyuZnIvwIX ZYgtq9qJ9gZph0tzStqRmhOCZuXkMm1y4/MuJDX+NNM3PddCcVK/C2DtEkbFshzjzY// Hjw47fGIpLGpxV1JiWAqKyBfxf43SNJKvPo0JgisMByP4j/bL2CwZuAogQqBfESBqBXQ L/Dw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533xjUpDTNkVGQRJXxYKigPQ4LRywnhYDTWInvjXMU/sufQzc1IB 6aoASU++TQZC+YJPO4HB2zZ/DzRESc06HHpJAtI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwgFVMsItJqjTdwbWPcPtJlzON1hACIMqYiAX0lGD2WEGN+yohvgyoDbENcXOQDdVm28/44dCLBKVVlvPbupqU= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:e9c4:b029:eb:4626:feba with SMTP id 4-20020a170902e9c4b02900eb4626febamr34919079plk.39.1619010677467; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 06:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:11:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <192e82f20f22020cd392@heytings.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:204604 Archived-At: Gregory Heytings writes: > A suggestion: when the info files bundled with Emacs cannot be found, > download them from info.gnu.org (after asking the user if they're okay > with that) and install them into ~/.emacs.d/info. The info files that are > supposed to be bundled with Emacs are not that big (about 5 MB, gzipped), > and something similar (downloading data from a gnu.org site and install > them into a ~/.emacs.d subdirectory) happens with M-x list-packages. I like the suggestion. It would be a fun hack, if nothing else. But I think the Debian maintainers might be upset, and it would be easy for them to then disable this functionality. So in some ways, I'd rather that users of Debian complain so that they fix the root cause: that they don't ship GFDL manuals. OTOH, that is exceedingly unlikely to happen any time soon. Perhaps the Debian maintainers won't care, and this is a fine solution to the problem that they created. It really is unfortunate that Emacs is so crippled on the most popular GNU/Linux distributions, so we might have reason to take a more aggressive stance. So yeah, I don't know...