From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20697: 25.0.50; Mention `M-x report-emacs-bug' on splash screen Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:39:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <874l2az3r3.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <5d8f820c-4029-45cf-8fd7-b1fc44f8e6e3@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="204341"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20697@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 13 21:40:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQR-000r2s-Fn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:40:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47078 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQQ-0002Ra-C6 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33954) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQJ-0002Q0-2U for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQI-0001n4-2J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36806) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQH-0001my-VP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:40:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQH-0003kz-Pj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:40:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20697 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 20697-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20697.156840359914429 (code B ref 20697); Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20697) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2019 19:39:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45627 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQF-0003kf-1k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pg1-f182.google.com ([209.85.215.182]:41825) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1i8rQC-0003kL-Vs for 20697@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:39:57 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pg1-f182.google.com with SMTP id x15so15756203pgg.8 for <20697@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:39:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Tdqv4Uw9/0a4VYcc1rGEvY13YVu80dUFoJtExAUugVk=; b=BAPYOupbJ0D5t3A9nrxgLYBrhm4J0bXAQYdIfL/TJfOlIleyCkEdcXSVY0Kxc2zezw ZCbuXmbe8qvxW8XjDIABgmPqD79cGO6PKQ1csyfS8cbJjoMTxv1ptwhGgtQ36Bk2yLMZ tM+/ZazUky+AlDghawUjMCY8O1fLCXlvUvPHDzSqs0fakWixRf9FpEZum2nyNitbag8G 20Zh+vprw00SmsmwQzepNWAh46qGwFRvvsfsbszlZyXfLLuO0zUnprDPNEvqpOZj2B/g 4eWXkoTeHsxQfJ/DMhyG73BVg4XW57rhxz0ZIT3l6VjkoG/2SzF899UOFMSNPORRWKTF aMIw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUvJIggLCGstKP+ReK85qTJ3kcaFasQadu5NMg7bLp58tpVf+Ft vXSgxlQGsqL0vwTKCncMgiSrKih0HXZGSBHEd8I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxDaSnZmaVvDo9mWuh52rQVM3GSnMOJ/H7S+XpZOPmDnV+v/z7LZElAfrr0pYAPA6/xNbAU2tPgvq7DT+9StR0= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8156:: with SMTP id d22mr31160314pfn.190.1568403591096; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:39:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5d8f820c-4029-45cf-8fd7-b1fc44f8e6e3@default> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:166414 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > > > So this basically adds another line and links directly to the Bugs > > info > > > page. Hm. Would it be possible to instead just change the line > > > > > > Contributing How to contribute improvements to Emacs > > > > > > to something like the following? That link already links to the bug > > > reporting page... > > > > > > Contributing How to report bugs and contribute improvements > > > > I had missed that, but you're absolutely correct and I agree that its > > a better solution. > > I saw that "How to contribute..." but I thought/think > its destination is to the doc section about contributing. > > If so, that's not quite the same thing. > > It would be OK to have a single link that points to > something that covered both (1) `report-emacs-bug', > mentioning that that's also for enhancement requests, > and (2) how to contribute in a deeper way: GIT, patches > etc. (info "(emacs) Contributing") already says on the top of the page: There are many ways to contribute to Emacs: =E2=80=A2 find and report bugs; *Note Bugs::. So I think this is already a good landing page for both bugs and contributi= ons. > [Mentioning also enhancement requests was my input > for this bug thread.] Do you have any ideas for how to better emphasize enhancement requests? Should it be a separate bullet point on the "Contribute" page perhaps? > But in that case, the more lightweight feedback, #1, > should be separated and up front, so users wanting > to report a bug or suggest an enhancement need not > find themselves immediately in the depths of how to > contribute in a deeper way. I think that it's fine that users can click the link on the top of the page to reach (info "(emacs) Bugs"). It's separate enough, and early enough, that users can easily click on it and ignore the rest of the page, in my opinion. > We want (IMO) to encourage lots of users to provide > relatively easy feedback, beyond also wanting some > users to get more deeply involved. We don't want > people to get the impression that lightweight > suggestions are not possible or encouraged, and that > a heavy commitment is the only encouraged participation. I absolutely agree. Best regards, Stefan Kangas