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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:251043 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > Anyway, it is precisely in this sense that I try that Eglot > provide the least amount of interactive commands and > user options, and no keybindings at all. So that people > "see it" as little as possible of it. They just see xref, project, > flymake diagnostics, eldoc, etc. This is quite different > from lsp-mode (at least the last time I looked at it). Of > course if major modes were in on the play, we could > reduce the visibility of Eglot even more, maybe just > reduce it to `eglot-connect` and `eglot-disconnect`, maybe > call them `start-ide-ing` and `stop-ide-ing` for abstraction. I like your thinking above. I agree that, if we want users to interact with it, "eglot" is a pretty hard to understand name. Perhaps "lsp-start" and "lsp-stop" would be okay here, if that makes sense. Best regards, Stefan Kangas