From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#400: 23.0.60; C-h v should pick up lispified name in Customize Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: References: <007f01c8cca9$3cbbf770$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <875z8rum4k.fsf@gnus.org> <83o8mjnf5n.fsf@gnu.org> <83fssuany1.fsf@gnu.org> <83pmry8fv4.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15770"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 400@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 19:51:35 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcE3-0003th-0w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 19:51:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43348 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcE2-0002DD-04 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:51:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38828) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcDX-0002Bb-19 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:51:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcDW-0003yd-JX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:51:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcDW-00086Y-I9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:51:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 17:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 400 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 400-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B400.163483864231104 (code B ref 400); Thu, 21 Oct 2021 17:51:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 400) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Oct 2021 17:50:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcDC-00085c-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:50:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]:34408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdcDA-00085N-V1 for 400@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:50:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id d5so1340243pfu.1 for <400@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:50:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=cpmd02lmJbgWPtXkVHniu3G2EJ+g6y70jPZ3975TKeU=; b=6PrvOIvgIS3KbZ0sV/LiI4FWBExDesd+wUwixjY6Zi3uLOqjcgqmpB4H/amdWmYdV7 nyUZ19Cb4lXvVRSJPZqSVAYsFjnLR4vHujXIUxkgs2eCgQNNNVWf7oYPfpi0VN3Eercm XnwIvczQr3jQhsID4+PmjwpALSEWeH40lacX+OOQHjzjQKQUXwLpw1T2AhnFM3KuPqr7 j5pbyUavr+PTcYDM2D1MpUoPQ1t5t7JGRN46o+kmrWwRfQQbd9rtJ6m7unk+mv1FhOEU Ak4P5Tgic4SlCPYqjADk1KdsLTkDjFw9sdxqg88FY/Zqu9cS+Xjq3WtwhNlYtV9d4j/B tCwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533JerH1xdigEwmEP70FAlFwJpkRCpRfrQh4lysLXlqPZYJXMSxh jRHoZTOwtIhUOv0/qLhxbemk7O6bFaCVxemlWrg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzHfa3VwKGKQR44xbr6sHV1ylQI0gPWl4h06wgUko+C47aA17nnRDyH8A7pkrMipj6yYSOhm4/f7W/ZOCJxb20= X-Received: by 2002:a63:370c:: with SMTP id e12mr5519842pga.359.1634838634949; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 21 Oct 2021 10:50:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83pmry8fv4.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:217791 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Yes, because the actual customization happens in the variable's > buffer. So why is that a problem, again? No, you can customize it directly from `customize-group'. >> But users might still want an easy way to get the variable into the help >> buffer. > > They have RET and mouse-1 click, don't they? Isn't that enough? Where in the customize buffer do I click or type RET to get `describe-variable'? > I say we have enough features to allow anyone to do what they want, > and I see no reason to complicate commands for the marginal gains (if > at all) that you describe. Well, it's a quality of life feature, so of course I'm okay without it. But I'm not sure what you mean by "complicating commands" given that the proposal AFAIU is to introduce a specific `customize-describe-variable' bound to `C-h v' that handles also the unlispified names. > (Shouldn't there be some kind of "statute of limitations" on bugs that > were filed too long ago, and have not gathered enough consensus for > all that time?) I believe the activity we are engaged in right now is currently as good as it gets. FWIW, if I had my way, I would for sure close bugs and feature requests far more enthusiastically than is being done now. For example, "wontfix" could also be used meaning: "yes, it's an issue but it's not one we consider worth fixing, if you care enough send a patch and we will reconsider".