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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314543 Archived-At: Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > More pragmatically, it is because I am a freelance worker who is paid > by the hour. I can=E2=80=99t allow myself to give more to the client than= what > I am paid for. I need to assume that the source document is of > reasonable quality and that its intent is clear. > > When I translate or otherwise contribute to free software projects, the > ethics are slightly different, but that does not profoundly change the > way I work. When you do volunteer translations and deeply care about the source material, the process is indeed different. I myself often end up with long lists of proposed edits to the original. Improving ses.texi was one motivation for Vincent when he translated it to French, IIUC. I'm sure some translators will want to do that, and others won't. The flip-side is that doing it can get very time consuming. > Decorations are irrelevant in OmegaT. Only the msgid contents is taken > into account. Decorations are also not shown in the OmegaT editor. I > just see the paragraphs, above, below, and I translate the text > contents without worrying about the decorations. BTW, OmegaT is well worth trying out for anyone interested in translating. My hope is that we eventually will have something similar for Emacs, of course, but we are very far off still. I'm not aware of any project that has attempted to build that.