From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:43:55 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="8743"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 26 17:45:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jSjT0-0002Bf-Q8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:45:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33618 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSjSz-0006tE-Le for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:45:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSjRx-0005hp-0R for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:44:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSjRw-0005K1-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-yb1-f181.google.com ([209.85.219.181]:41827) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jSjRw-0005Ih-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 11:44:08 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-yb1-f181.google.com with SMTP id t9so517530ybo.8 for ; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ydJ8ejbnJsVYLxC/SxS0qUx3CSFzc5Fy+hToxQ21pts=; b=GL0KFXsEEXFALiDTWKD8DQSsWD1m6bhCrEAg7Wgt4kU6cE/iWtLXGQ0n/GPdVU7DXS P2KebzUq1bQxK2EuH6i9x6ezIVjAPk3WYfmydusIrrlM7Sf9VT3p7WLr+gyRzRXFZebF WIX1S/SfIeCQRfrlItZ5ODhzVDL4Ei/7e29OuMbdBixud/mhBeZ/sAgaJZbN1CWiCCjI lgRAcJ9Q1lj/wkMNUNTqJ6klbeYrB5fzAcS2sT+IHm2fnEa0HeFcUsyS6gkkkddAbXkP exAQY4/HDid3qCFPu/hYLr5GuBuXPqiZySenBQtyuaIDn7C8CFlkIIwB3Ft05dKMQYUn YsDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PubJ9t/yDlaebhOPOnN50JQuco5yPI7v50tJnEX/UoFhnyAMZMJ4 QNm3lVgi/RPjRtK9aUohjckSbPQtSe1hHsCDHfTCq9sFabo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypLG/VxTGrs6tc3/3xVjtcgUnCuaYgSvC3lHJ9yS0MR633DH/ZgZKYwyRbgfkv9DlpAAxxn788ExvafvtaU/RPs= X-Received: by 2002:a25:c102:: with SMTP id r2mr32029020ybf.43.1587915846744; Sun, 26 Apr 2020 08:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.219.181; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-yb1-f181.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/26 11:44:07 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.219.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247842 Archived-At: In Bug#40813, I suggest the following: * CONTRIBUTE: * etc/CALC-NEWS: * etc/DEBUG: * etc/MACHINES: * etc/PROBLEMS: * etc/TODO: Use org-mode instead of outline-mode. The reason is that I believe our users are more familiar with org-mode than outline-mode, and that I simply think the interface is better. It's the forward-looking, "modern" choice, if you like. This was not met with undivided enthusiasm, and the suggestion was to bring the discussion here. Here's my attempt to summarize the counter-arguments: (1) Outline-mode is in fact more well-known than org-mode. (2) Org-mode increases memory consumption (by 1-3 MB). (3) We could improve outline-mode by adding something like org-cycle (TAB). (4) There's a slight delay when opening an org file for the first time in a session. I would say that (1) is hard to prove or disprove, and I have only anecdotal evidence here. Regarding (2), this is true but I disagree that it's significant enough to worry about in this day and age. It's hard to argue against (3) but it needs an interested party to do it. Finally, I don't know if anything can be done about (4). So please make it known how you feel about this proposal. Best regards, Stefan Kangas