From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 11:02:45 -0800 Message-ID: References: <877dbpvsee.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8244"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Po Lu , "xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283521 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: >> - The tools that must be used for contributing to Emacs are extremely >> antiquated, and difficult to use for most developers, especially newer >> ones who form the majority of the potential contributor base. > > That is simply untrue. We have a lot of evidence for this being the case from community interactions such as this one. Attracting more contributors is one of the main reasons why we are looking into sourcehut (or some other forge). For my part, I'm not just fine with our tools, but actually prefer them to the forge workflow. But my thoughts and preferences are not the key thing here, but what most other prospective contributors think. This is why we want to provide two types of workflow: both the forge one, and something close enough to the one we have now. The hope is that sourcehut (or some other forge) will eventually provide this.