From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Consistent vanilla Emacs Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 15:44:01 -0700 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="17747"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Dmitry Gutov , "Nicolas P. 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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250304 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: >> 1. Currently, the consensus seems to be that the menu and tool bar are >> important to have. So we can't disable them by default. We would >> like to make them look better though, but I don't know if there is >> any work being done on that. > > I think the main toolbars look fine in GNOME, the one in the scratch > buffer for sure. Maybe I'd like it to be less tall, but that seems minor. > > Do you like it, or does it not look good on your system? It looks fine, if a bit plain. If we had a graphical designer and/or illustrator I'm sure we could do better, though. One improvement which I believe only requires code changes is support for a "dark" theme. It seems to me that a dark theme is the default for most editors these days, and N percent of our users prefer them. See also Bug#11590. Best regards, Stefan Kangas