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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314610 gmane.comp.tex.texinfo.general:3371 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> If that=E2=80=99s the case, what about using =E2=80=9CTranslated manuals= =E2=80=9D for now, >> since the number of translated manuals is very low? > > I'd say the other way around: as long as we have very few > translations, keeping them together with the English version is > better. I'm concerned that they'd get in the way, even if there are only few of them. How about using something like `Info-streamline-headings' for this: - Put manuals under "Translated manuals" for English locales. - Move those relevant to the current locale to "Emacs". I'd probably take it a step further and completely hide translations (by default at least) outside of relevant locales. We already do basically that for the tutorial.