From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#50446: Emacs FAQ entry "What is the real legal meaning of the GNU copyleft?" still relevant? Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 18:20:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87a6kocspg.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15414"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 50446@debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 07 18:21:13 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdqS-0003mh-BU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 18:21:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47038 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdqQ-0007IL-J0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:21:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58352) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdqI-0007Fw-OA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:45927) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdqI-0005lU-Fr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdqI-0006Rk-9W for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:21:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 16:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50446 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 50446-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50446.163103163224717 (code B ref 50446); Tue, 07 Sep 2021 16:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 50446) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 16:20:32 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57471 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdpb-0006QO-8i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:20:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pl1-f176.google.com ([209.85.214.176]:43748) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdpZ-0006QA-8e for 50446@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:20:17 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pl1-f176.google.com with SMTP id v1so6131676plo.10 for <50446@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:20:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=gWyXfk1J6B4PQOc9Cu+gQKPA2IOjWkvfpGLqaQVZUHc=; b=c+NjcUOAxFBjiWZ/mmLDbmDCEb8aknhwmXskLb3rJPXjtZF4rrBUYd5yZGbCdvzjOd PrVWoFOCd8bkDLYtBp3zvzEIjPr+oBDU1DWRKNJmKSu9mW185/mclNN8gZWGHdoujaEv elMQ7T3CDlCwtTpBcq8e5xGgcpaI7gVxrCAlJilJhdx9snkO1URn1xoG4Q0kNnBrEKxm xQqXzkHQMM/iJ3vCACWerprtUJ0Fn/8k9WtxuDG7iZxy196ili4ZcD1aYmSDXKGdumB3 FCxR/kUbSxeYNtCxPscGSjehvKK1XtEa4F+ZMKYCm3GCHW395rLTQkPps+orz3mOzcPT HrPw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532MJG9KkxjufZr7QHhO/fCwgpwTFEjGC0xsoXzUSckNvHL3L0H+ dJ/YbrvAfHoGLVFWMT5B5gNiPa+WVItLx4ljee4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwWcBm6fpnsKbeQ0AVPmR7MHZ2jUI632XRm/L88bzi3OMFqQnA9Nsz84tH5A841IUkoR9rI+607RpaupVExap8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:7c42:: with SMTP id e2mr5306802pjl.132.1631031611502; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:20:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87a6kocspg.fsf@gnus.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:213707 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > Is the below entry in the Emacs FAQ still relevant? These days, we > > have had several copyright infringement case involving the GPL. Could > > we just delete the entry in the FAQ? > > Hm... I just skimmed > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_license_litigation > > and I didn't see any judgements on GPL'd software? Just settlements > (and judgements on other licenses, like the Artistic License). Take a look at this list, for example "Welte vs D-Link (2006)": https://wiki.fsfe.org/Migrated/GPL Enforcement Cases IANAL, YMMV, etc. but some of these look like court cases to me? If we are to put anything, I think it's better to have an entry "What is Free Software" or something of the sort, rather than defending whether or not the GPL is even legally valid. I don't think anyone doubts that it is mostly valid these days, do they? It's not a very FAQ in my experience at least, but I might be wrong. Of course, the US legal system is a sick joke so what do I know.