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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:327231 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 10:05:47 -0500 >> From: Daniel Colascione >> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, manphiz@gmail.com >> >> >> Why not just vendor all the grammars with the Emacs modes that use them? >> > >> >We'd need to ask their developers to agree to this. >> >> Why? They're free software. For copyright assignment? Seems like an exception would make sense here. > > AFAIK, that was the policy until now: we should have written agreement > by authors to include any code in Emacs. RMS might know more, because > he asked for that. We can add non-assigned files to our tree if we consider them as _not_ a part of Emacs. In that case, there is no need to copyright assign them to the FSF. For example, as explained in admin/notes/copyright: lwlib/ rms (2007/02/17): "lwlib is not assigned to the FSF; we don't consider it part of Emacs. [...] Therefore non-FSF copyrights are ok in lwlib." In my view, vendored tree-sitter grammars would be analogous to that.