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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264720 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Filtering out stuff from an M-x search is a minor feature. You're > proposing turning the structures of Emacs upside down in implementing > it. This is disproportionate, and will bring unforeseen problems with > it. > > `interactive' currently does one thing and does it well - it says how to > call a function interactively. You're advocating adding unrelated stuff > into `interactive'. That is ugly, horribly ugly. > > You're proposing making the .elc format backward incompatible, all for > what? For some minor feature to do with M-x. A feature which not > everybody wants (I certainly don't), and not everybody will use. FWIW, I disagree: - This feature is extremely useful, I think a big improvement in user experience and one of the things to be excited about for Emacs 28. - This is a clean and natural expansion of `interactive'. - I'm not sure what it means to turn things upside down. I assume you mean that a horrible mess has been made? If so, I must disagree with that, too.