From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Kangas Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Leaving Freenode behind Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 06:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19289"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Emacs developers To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 22 07:15:22 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvYks-0004rp-II for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 07:15:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36624 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvYkr-00045g-Gz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 01:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58898) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvY83-0003b8-Lq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 00:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pj1-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]:54998) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lvY81-0003CP-UF; Tue, 22 Jun 2021 00:35:15 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pj1-f53.google.com with SMTP id g24so11330555pji.4; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 21:35:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CVx/kESEgVRxYTm+fZvNv6nJmMGxo+G35qQ4Dco337Q=; b=KzjzvTZM7cvo94QEo7zD2lPkg8ovb2w7mMOz5h7LrIZxC7++5lnlKw/Ft9HD/AZzXl 4xctnLD7z1L6DH1rtP8+zlLB1MJBJnT0IsXn99rpS61kgcy/5e57y8Hn5OvYRqbTMViW ANMf4PWdC+sXQbB/vvhZmk49e2T0vfqBqcnupyi3H6XhF2E+0qq2zweqWQuToEGPJtCw OZ3//Y0/85PhCSLCLhj3dr2mAZqFVeffBVo8lxzXos8UmcsaJ4lo+0LeVC+lrxktMivv cNC634H6WBgHnieW6KknymgJTqiGGMm6YoU4P2/LFYI8o2YBUTR/5hpX1JA5KJjumYI8 HQtg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5328z6YG6tLU1jamCCEYK1TKpY6WhvrwWZFmiQyCJkxoQuZeODOn T/HfoANFsAOjrHP3PXjlJv9mGGbg871DTq7oizsFZpPoWtPAKQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwbOAq9gCrbxJ45dB9Db6Xoxk0Jz2hxQffwAOuTSvwA4CkoGB6CS4sscyNnq1VZMdPkNxkKGzgo0bdD5kDPKKw= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:ab0c:: with SMTP id m12mr1701530pjq.179.1624336512003; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 21:35:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.216.53; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pj1-f53.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_20=-0.001, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:270978 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I do have to correct one detail. Libera is a company, so the term > "community-run" might be misleading. This is incorrect, as far as I can tell. Libera is, according to themselves: "a Swedish nonprofit organisation with organisation number 802535-6448, feel free to read our bylaws".[1] Looking up the Swedish organization LIBERA CHAT registered with that number, it is an "ideell f=C3=B6rening" (roughly: "volunteer driven association", or "non-profit" in English), which is most definitely not a company. It is subject to all the normal regulations you would expect for a non-profit: no one can "own" or "sell" it, it is controlled by its annual general meeting, etc. Footnotes: [1] https://libera.chat/about