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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309182 Archived-At: Danny Freeman writes: > > I'm at a loss how people who develop an Emacs package can object to > > adding their package to Emacs. But so be it. Very much so. This is not an isolated example, unfortunately. We are faced with a seemingly significant pedagogical challenge to better explain the benefits of including key features in Emacs itself. The upside here is that people are hacking on Emacs packages, which can only be a good thing. > Well down the road when clojure-ts-mode has stabilized I will make sure > we will revisit the idea of moving it to the core. Until then, I hope > y'all see the value of making it available in NonGNU ELPA. This seems pragmatic given the current resistance to add the package to Emacs among some of its developers. It will, of course, be positive for both Emacs and the Clojure community if we can revisit this in the future, so it is good that you intend to do that later. Thanks for working on this package and for pushing for its inclusion on NonGNU ELPA.